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Re: OneVoice Network

#51 Post by garys » 14 Mar 2018 11:09

Will do. That's all useful information.

I know from a radio read of the ICE system that I got some time ago, that there are future frequencies sometimes programmed into subscriber radios in anticipation of adding frequencies to sites. That helped me when Quincy and Boston (Pru) added new active frequencies. I saw at least one site that has frequencies listed that are not active, at least not yet.

The two OneVoice sites I can hear are not all that active. The network seem far more active in NY/NJ than up this way. Maybe CT as well.
cdgordon wrote:
14 Mar 2018 10:44
If you send it out, remember to mention that the Site names may not be accurate as that is taken from my own file automatically. Also, the information that is programmed into the radios does not represent active sites, they may not yet be live. And last, having frequencies listed, doesn't mean every frequency is active at every site. I suspect that sites that have frequencies other than the 454.xxxxx ones, have those in case of issues with the other channels. The 454 channels are licensed by region and not by specific site.

chris

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Re: OneVoice Network

#52 Post by cdgordon » 14 Mar 2018 11:18

I can monitor 3 sites nearby, they are all fairly busy with commercial users but very little Public Safety traffic.

chris

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Re: OneVoice Network

#53 Post by n1zyy » 17 Mar 2018 18:52

Warning about the uncertainty heeded. :)

I would like to postulate that site 66 is probably Derry, New Hampshire, and that 68, if it exists is probably Hopkinton, MA. (I see 68 in the file garys provided; I do not see any sites listing it as a neighbor site, and am likely too far away to be able to hear it here if it were active.)

I tried to put licenses to some of these. It involves a bit of guesswork, but the guesses are usually ones I'm comfortable with. (For example, one of the frequencies has only two users in New Hampshire: one is to Dispatch Communications on Merrill Hill, and the other is Story Land.) I'm drawing inferences on locations from the licenses, though I know some new trunked systems seem to play fast and loose with licensing. I have not looked at emissions designators, because many users don't seem to add it to their license, and others have it licensed but don't use it.

I have not done any monitoring for this post, much less DF. More to follow after I park the scanner on these guys for a while.

63 - Georgetown
* 1 - 472.8375, WIJ877 (David Unkles, 400W)
* 2 - 483.7875, WIJ228 (DCC Engineering, 50W)
* 3 - 484.3125, WIK401 (Unkles, 500W)

484.3125 is also licensed to "North East Tower Associates" for 1kW ERP in North Andover under WII572. I don't think it's related, but those sites seem rather close.

64 - Hudson, NH
All licensed for Merrill Hill, Hudson, NH. The wiki lists this as "Hudson, NH?" and based on licenses that would seem correct.

* 462.35 - WQQC597, 300W, Unkles
* 463.2625 - same
* 484.7375 - WIM465, 300W, DCC Engineering

WQQC597 also has 464.6625 licensed, but it's not in the radio dump I read, so it's probably unrelated.

66 - Maybe Derry, NH?
Listed on the wiki as "Unknown." Its site neighbors are listed as Boston (69), Georgetown (63), Hudson (64), Abington (61), and Southern MA/Northern RI (62).

I found the following plausible licenses for the frequencies on the wiki:
* 461.7125: WPPC649 - All-Comm has this licensed in Haverhill, MA and Derry, NH
* 461.8375, 463.8875 - same as above, WPPC649
* 472.9875: WIL581, David Unkles has this licensed in Topsfield, MA and Derry, NH.

Since both licenses have the same address, and since both names come up in other OneVoice sites, I think it's likely that Derry is the location of this site.

69 - Boston
I think the wiki has the LCNs wrong here, showing 7, 8, and 9 for Uniden ones, and 7-12 for DSD. I think the "Uniden" format should be 4, 5, and 6, which jives with what's in the dump file.

Those are:
* 484.825, 472.45, and 472.05 - all WQLI930, David Unkles, 65W ERP from 200 Clarendon St. (Hancock Tower), and also 500W ERP from Waltham.

Based on the codeplug and that, I think the layout should look like:
* 1 - 451.7000, WPNU323 (DC Rentals, 200 Clarendon plus a Hopkinton site)
* 2 - 461.6750, WPIZ830 (All-Comm, 200 Clarendon)
* 3 - 463.5500, WNAF574 (All-Comm, 200 Clarendon; note that the HIlton also has that frequency licensed in Boston)
* 4 - 484.8250, WQLI930 (200 Clarendon)
* 5 - 472.4500 - WQLI930 (200 Clarendon)
* 6 - 472.0500 - WQLI930 (..)
* 7 - 484.0375 (KNR965 - All-Comm, One Financial Center)
* 8 - 451.4000 (WPNU323, same as 1 - DC Rentals, 200 Clarendon + Hopkinton)

68 - Hopkinton?

Nothing lists this a neighbor on the wiki, and no one seems to mention 68 being active. So this is probably not active. But, the codeplug shows:
* 1 - 453.0125 (WPMV416 - All-Comm)
* 2 - 451.5000 (WPNU323 - DC Rentals, same license as for Boston)


Again, I have done no monitoring for this post; purely trying to cross-reference what's on the wiki with what's in the radio dump file garys kindly provided, and to try to link things to FCC licenses. Now comes the monitoring to try to confirm which of these are active!
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Re: OneVoice Network

#54 Post by n1zyy » 17 Mar 2018 19:14

Oh, and others earlier in the thread identified 67 as Mt. Uncanoonuc and some of the licensees. (I'm trying to pull this information into a list for dropping into my scanner, and figured I'd share it here.)

Based on the radio dump, the LCNs would be:

67 - Mt. Uncanoonuc, Goffstown, NH
* 1 - 452.575 - WQYH418 (Central VT Communication, 55W)
* 2 - 463.3875 - WQCH692 (David Unkles, 72W)
* 3 - 463.6875 - WQCH692 also
* 4 - 451.375 - WPIU959 (Dispatch Corporation, 35W)

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Re: OneVoice Network

#55 Post by n1zyy » 17 Mar 2018 21:06

Well maybe Saturday night wasn't the best time to listen for activity on a commercial trunked system. ;)

Users talking or not, the control channels should be up, so I was able to confirm the following:
  • Georgetown: 472.8375 active, system 00ABh (171 decimal), site ID 63, color code 1 (s0 on my meter)
  • Hudson: 484.7375 active, site 64, color code 4 (s7 on my meter)
  • Boston: 472.0500 active, site 69, color code 9 (s0 on my meter)
  • Goffstown: 452.5750, site 67, color code 5 (weirdly ranging from s0-s5 on my meter)
I could not hear the sites I suspected were Derry and Hopkinton, but both sites are things I only pieced together from licenses and the codeplug / dump file. It's possible neither is a real site.

I'm just doing this on a regular scanner, not DSD or similar, so I can only tell you what's running, not neighboring sites or such.

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Re: OneVoice Network

#56 Post by n1zyy » 18 Apr 2018 19:18

I haven't heard the Hudson or Goffstown sites in a few weeks. I totally heard both and confirmed site IDs last month, but neither seems to be on the air now. When I was hearing Goffstown a few weeks ago, the only talkgroup I heard was one of the tow truck ones from Springfield, MA or that area.

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Re: OneVoice Network

#57 Post by ScanBoston » 19 Apr 2018 07:50

(and also 500W ERP from Waltham.)

I think Waltham is gone. The Antico tower on Prospect Hill housed David Uncles site. That tower was removed and I think he moved everything to Boston. Either 800 Boylston or 200 Clarendon.

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Re: OneVoice Network

#58 Post by garys » 16 Aug 2018 00:08

It seems that All Comm/DC Rentals might have dropped out of the OneVoice network. It appears that the sites they ran reverted to Cap+.

171-69 seems to be operating with only LCN 8 and 9. I've been listening to try to figure out that private ambulance service operating in the Chicopee area and that's all I see as active. Looking at the .txt file I mentioned some time ago, I have the LCNs wrong and n1zyy is correct. I'll fix that in the Wiki. Again, if anyone wants that list, PM me with an email address and I'll get it out.

I'm getting 171-67 tonight, but since I don't have it in my DSD+.frequencies file I can't follow it. Based on the information further down in the thread, I'll add it.
At some point, the Wiki page should be updated to add 171-67. I'll try to get to that over the next few days, but if any of the other DB administrators want to do it, that's fine too.

Of course, I don't know how long I'll be able to receive this either.

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Re: OneVoice Network

#59 Post by n1zyy » 03 Sep 2018 20:00

The Boston site has always confused me (and my scanner) because I've seen both CON and CAP activity.

Spent a little bit running through the existing sites tonight, just with the "System Status" feature on my scanner.

System 00ABh (171 decimal):
  • 63, Georgetown -- Very weak at my QTH, but active (CON, CC 1)
  • 64, Hudson, no signal; should be strongest
  • 66, Derry (?), no signal (but I never received it)
  • 67, Goffstown -- Active (CON, CC 5)
  • 69, Boston -- Active (CON, CC 9)
This is just my scanner taking a quick peek, so I can't say which frequencies are active, nor whether there's any activity.

These are the only ones I've ever heard; the others are out of range for me.

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Re: OneVoice Network

#60 Post by garys » 31 Dec 2018 20:28

I found Site 54 on 484.9625. The Wiki shows this as being in Paxton, which is a pretty good haul from me. Oddly, DSD+ shows Channels 1/2 (494.9625) and 11/12. The Wiki shows that and 464.7625 as active, but I haven't heard anything on the second channel.

It's kind of a mystery what's going on with this site.

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Re: OneVoice Network

#61 Post by cdgordon » 02 Jan 2019 14:02

I was able to enter 484.9625 and hear the CC from a lookout I monitor from. I was able to set up DSDPlus and verify the following
1/2 484.9625 DCC 1 CC is slot 2
11/12 464.7625 DCC 1

National EMS and Reds Towing were active. The traffic went through those 3 voice slots and I didn't see any other channel numbers pop up.

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Re: OneVoice Network

#62 Post by garys » 02 Jan 2019 15:08

Never mind, I found my error. I had the network number set incorrectly in the DSD.frequencies file.

DSD_CC shows NL of 26, 50, 52.

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Re: OneVoice Network

#63 Post by cdgordon » 17 Jan 2019 11:15

I updated the WIKI with the Paxton info from the newest OTAP file. The channels are correct but may not all be used.

chris

Site 171-54

LCN = 1 TX = 484.96250 RX = 487.96250 DCC = 8 CC
LCN = 2 TX = 461.32500 RX = 466.32500 DCC = 8
LCN = 3 TX = 463.82500 RX = 468.82500 DCC = 8
LCN = 4 TX = 464.06250 RX = 469.06250 DCC = 8
LCN = 5 TX = 464.45000 RX = 469.45000 DCC = 8
LCN = 6 TX = 464.76250 RX = 469.76250 DCC = 8

DSDPlus layout

; Site 171-54 Paxton, MA

Con+, 171, 54, 1, 484.96250, 487.96250, 0 ; DCC = 8 CC
Con+, 171, 54, 3, 461.32500, 466.32500, 0 ; DCC = 8
Con+, 171, 54, 5, 463.82500, 468.82500, 0 ; DCC = 8
Con+, 171, 54, 7, 464.06250, 469.06250, 0 ; DCC = 8
Con+, 171, 54, 9, 464.45000, 469.45000, 0 ; DCC = 8
Con+, 171, 54, 11, 464.76250, 469.76250, 0 ; DCC = 8

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