Boston PD to transition to P25

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Boston PD to transition to P25

#1 Post by ecps92 » 09 Jun 2017 19:07

http://www.macro.com/work/city-of-bosto ... em-upgrade

The City of Boston is upgrading their current analog UHF radio system to a digital P25 system.
Currently they operate over forty radios sites for land mobile communications.
The sites are utilized by Boston PD, Boston FD and Boston EMS.
The sites are in varying age and condition. Macro is assisting in design reviews, site upgrade designs for electrical, HVAC, R56 grounding and antenna systems.

Macro is also working with the City on the design of a new microwave interconnect backbone with redundant capabilities.
In addition to design efforts Macro will help with the acceptance testing of the subsystems that make up this new P25 network as well as providing FCC regulatory support.
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#2 Post by JBP » 09 Jun 2017 19:38

From the same consultant responsible for the MS-Commnet? :confused:

Their website has an article about it but their role is unclear.
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#3 Post by ecps92 » 10 Jun 2017 06:17

http://www.macro.com/about-us/
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JBP wrote:From the same consultant responsible for the MS-Commnet? :confused:

Their website has an article about it but their role is unclear.
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#4 Post by Mark SNE Moderator » 10 Jun 2017 15:24

What is the timeframe for this being implemented?


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#5 Post by garys » 10 Jun 2017 15:53

Before I'd get excited about this i'd want to see something from the city. Maybe an RFP notice in the City Record, notice of selecting a vendor, something like that.
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#6 Post by Citywide 173 » 10 Jun 2017 20:47

Gary, I'll confirm it from a conversation earlier this week. Can't confirm the vendor, but rooms are being prepped all over the city with little notice (and little regard from what I've heard) to co-located agencies.
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#7 Post by garys » 10 Jun 2017 22:55

Thanks, Ed. Do you know if it's just BPD?
Citywide 173 wrote:Gary, I'll confirm it from a conversation earlier this week. Can't confirm the vendor, but rooms are being prepped all over the city with little notice (and little regard from what I've heard) to co-located agencies.
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#8 Post by ecps92 » 11 Jun 2017 10:18

Yes, just BPD the only impact to BFD/BEMS would be improved A/C and power at the sites.
garys wrote:Thanks, Ed. Do you know if it's just BPD?
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#9 Post by Citywide 173 » 11 Jun 2017 11:23

I was told that "girly" radios like my EX600 would be useless very soon on the BEMS system, so I deduced that we aren't that far behind. Don't know about BFD.
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#10 Post by JBP » 11 Jun 2017 11:25

ecps92 wrote:http://www.macro.com/about-us/
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I just hope for the city's sake this implementation goes a bit smoother than Maine's
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#11 Post by Kaimbridge » 11 Jun 2017 11:26

So, I guess that means all of the old, analog 460-470 MHz frequencies (and the scanners that receive them) are going to be kaputz?!? P=/
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#12 Post by ecps92 » 11 Jun 2017 13:38

Maine was a VHF Trunk, BPD is UHF Conventional - two different worlds
JBP wrote:I just hope for the city's sake this implementation goes a bit smoother than Maine's
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#13 Post by Citywide 173 » 11 Jun 2017 14:20

Kaimbridge wrote:So, I guess that means all of the old, analog 460-470 MHz frequencies (and the scanners that receive them) are going to be kaputz?!? P=/
Non P-25 scanners, yes...the frequencies probably won't change
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#14 Post by garys » 11 Jun 2017 17:31

Now we just have to wonder about the Big "E".

Maybe this is connected somehow to the the BPD traffic that has been on Zone 1 and the 700 Mhz overlay.
Citywide 173 wrote:Non P-25 scanners, yes...the frequencies probably won't change
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#15 Post by JBP » 11 Jun 2017 18:07

ecps92 wrote:Maine was a VHF Trunk, BPD is UHF Conventional - two different worlds
Could you please also tell me what color the sky is?

Just sayin' not the most successful radio project to tout on your website.

Anyway, looking forward to a new system for BPD, will this leave NYPD as the last major Spectra-TAC user?
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#16 Post by garys » 11 Jun 2017 18:47

I don't know that I'd draw any conclusions about the company based on MS Commnet. That was a statewide, multi site (some with difficult access), VHF trunk system. The surprise there would have been if it went smoothly, on time, and with no problems. In comparison, Boston is an easier place to work (politics aside) on a radio system.

My experience with the recently installed CAD system is that the technical difficulties were much less of a concern that what I refer to as "Peopleware".

I think that's what Bill was driving at.
JBP wrote:Could you please also tell me what color the sky is?

Just sayin' not the most successful radio project to tout on your website.

Anyway, looking forward to a new system for BPD, will this leave NYPD as the last major Spectra-TAC user?
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#17 Post by JBP » 11 Jun 2017 19:22

Fair enough, not a firm I've come across before so I guess I was skeptical from the start. Will be interesting when more details emerge.
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#18 Post by ecps92 » 12 Jun 2017 06:08

EMS is either doing this in-house or with a different project manager/radio shop and I would venture P25 is near as well
Citywide 173 wrote:I was told that "girly" radios like my EX600 would be useless very soon on the BEMS system, so I deduced that we aren't that far behind. Don't know about BFD.
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#19 Post by Captain Strobes » 12 Jun 2017 14:27

I've asked a couple of radio techs that would know. No one seems to know anything about this.
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#20 Post by garys » 13 Jun 2017 12:41

I'm told 11, 13, and 15 are operating encrypted today. I'm not around to listen, but trust the word of he who told me.
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#21 Post by ecps92 » 13 Jun 2017 13:05

BPD 11, 13 and 15 have always been known to be Encrypted, even back to the Analog Days Detectives used DVP/DES

http://scan-ne.net/wiki/index.php?title ... Department
garys wrote:I'm told 11, 13, and 15 are operating encrypted today. I'm not around to listen, but trust the word of he who told me.
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#22 Post by garys » 13 Jun 2017 13:24

They don't get that much use, but I think I heard 13 in the clear not too long ago.
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