OneVoice TG 100600 Unk Ambulance provider

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OneVoice TG 100600 Unk Ambulance provider

#1 Post by OceanNora » 10 Aug 2018 23:53

On the OneVoice MotoTrbo system, once in a blue moon I hear traffic on TG100600 on the Boston site that pertains to an ambulance company operating in Chicopee and Holyoke. Unit numbers appear to be in the 8x series (82, 84). They seem to do mostly IFTs, but I have heard them mention "priority 1 ALS patient." My first thought was Action, but in reference to a call in Holyoke the dispatcher reported that "Action was notified," suggesting that this was a non-911 provider and not Action. If anyone can monitor the sites closer to the area or is more knowledgeable about the players out that way, I'm sure we could nail it down. Can anyone confirm if Alert still uses TG 232 on the ICE MotoTrbo network for Western MA work?

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Re: OneVoice TG 100600 Unk Ambulance provider

#2 Post by trp » 11 Aug 2018 02:19

OceanNora wrote:
10 Aug 2018 23:53
...Can anyone confirm if Alert still uses TG 232 on the ICE MotoTrbo network for Western MA work?
I can confirm that Alert Ambulance is still using TG 232 for Western Massachusetts on the ICE MotoTRBO system as I just heard a unit call off in quarters on that TG. (Alert Ambulance uses TG 231 for ambulance work in other areas of Massachusetts and Rhode Island and I can confirm that TG 231 is also still in use.)
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Re: OneVoice TG 100600 Unk Ambulance provider

#3 Post by OceanNora » 11 Aug 2018 10:44

Interesting, thanks for the confirmation. Further listening of the OneVoice TG is definitely required. The only other likely candidates I can think of would be AMR or National Ambulance. I'm leaning toward National Ambulance as I haven't heard any 911 work. If anyone with local knowledge has any ideas, that would be greatly appreciated.

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#4 Post by garys » 11 Aug 2018 18:13

trp is correct about the Alert TGs. I can hear them on the Fall River and Freetown sites. Probably some of the RI sites as well, but I can't get any from home. Action has a UHF frequency licensed for western MA, it's in the Wiki. I've heard them on my infrequent trips out west.

AMR in MA was using exclusively VHF, but their presence in eastern MA is much diminished. They have the Framingham 9-1-1 contract, but other than that they aren't terribly busy.

National could make sense for the OneVoice TG.

Once I confirm that other RI ambulance company on ICE MotoTrbo (562 MedTech?), I'll plug one of the OneVoice sites into the SDR set up and see if I can figure anything out.

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#5 Post by garys » 15 Aug 2018 12:15

Listening to the Boston site this morning I'm hearing a fair amount of activity on the TG. An emergency response to Honeysuckle Drive in Chicopee. Other calls as well. Callsigns are varied, not just in the 8x series.

A 2016 document titled "Ambulance Service Providers for the Cities and Towns in New England shows Chicopee FD as the BLS provider and Alert as the ALS provider. That doesn't include non 9-1-1 emergency calls by various facilities.

More listening is in order.

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#6 Post by cdgordon » 15 Aug 2018 17:08

I think it is RAM out of West Springfield.
There is also a provider on the Tower Communications LTR system on TGID 0-08-064

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Re: OneVoice TG 100600 Unk Ambulance provider

#7 Post by OceanNora » 15 Aug 2018 18:19

I completely forgot about RAM, I wasn't sure if they were still around. They're a definite possibility, but given that they're only licensed for 5 trucks I'm still leaning toward National. The unit designations seem to match what I've seen for National as well, in the 6x-8x series whereas I believe the trucks at RAM were marked "R-x." I've heard most of the calls in Chicopee and Holyoke, with a few in Westfield. It's almost certainly not a 911 provider, which would fit either company. Yesterday I also heard a unit returning from Natick, but that's as far east as they seem to be getting so far during my listening.

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#8 Post by garys » 15 Aug 2018 19:06

They are doing some sort of "emergency" calls, but maybe not 9-1-1. Nursing homes, rehab facilities, assisted living facilities all have emergencies and in some cases contract with private services.

Where private ambulance units end up in the course of their shifts varies widely.

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I completely forgot about RAM, I wasn't sure if they were still around. They're a definite possibility, but given that they're only licensed for 5 trucks I'm still leaning toward National. The unit designations seem to match what I've seen for National as well, in the 6x-8x series whereas I believe the trucks at RAM were marked "R-x." I've heard most of the calls in Chicopee and Holyoke, with a few in Westfield. It's almost certainly not a 911 provider, which would fit either company. Yesterday I also heard a unit returning from Natick, but that's as far east as they seem to be getting so far during my listening.

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#9 Post by garys » 16 Aug 2018 14:22

Chris,

Do you have the information on Tower Communications? I looked, but didn't see it in the Wiki.
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I think it is RAM out of West Springfield.
There is also a provider on the Tower Communications LTR system on TGID 0-08-064

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#10 Post by ecps92 » 16 Aug 2018 14:47

Most likely
http://www.scan-ne.net/wiki/index.php?t ... ations_LTR
garys wrote:
16 Aug 2018 14:22
Chris,

Do you have the information on Tower Communications? I looked, but didn't see it in the Wiki.
cdgordon wrote:
15 Aug 2018 17:08
I think it is RAM out of West Springfield.
There is also a provider on the Tower Communications LTR system on TGID 0-08-064

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Re: OneVoice TG 100600 Unk Ambulance provider

#11 Post by garys » 16 Aug 2018 17:43

Thanks Bill. My Search Force is weak within me today! :rolleyes:
ecps92 wrote:
16 Aug 2018 14:47
Most likely
http://www.scan-ne.net/wiki/index.php?t ... ations_LTR
garys wrote:
16 Aug 2018 14:22
Chris,

Do you have the information on Tower Communications? I looked, but didn't see it in the Wiki.
cdgordon wrote:
15 Aug 2018 17:08
I think it is RAM out of West Springfield.
There is also a provider on the Tower Communications LTR system on TGID 0-08-064

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#12 Post by garys » 17 Aug 2018 16:42

It appears that all of their "emergency" calls are in Chicopee. On a few occasions the unit responding was informed that they are the "primary for CFD" and no FD ambulance was going.

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#13 Post by OceanNora » 18 Aug 2018 00:29

Interestingly it would appear that Alert is a backup provider for Chicopee Fire, whether there are any other companies involved I'm not sure.
https://www.facebook.com/alertambulance ... 837305452/

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#14 Post by cdgordon » 18 Aug 2018 09:33

The link Bill provided is the TCC system. The 5 channels shown as confirmed are what I have in the system, others were on the license only.

This is what I have gathered on Greater Springfield commercial EMS:
Action - 453.7000, D743 - not recently heard, very weak at my home.
Alert - ICE TRS - TG 232
AMR - 155.2950 pl 91.5 - (confirmed 8/17/2018) (Simulcast on Springfield CMED MED 9, PL 100.0)
National - unknown, see below
Pioneer Valley - Tower Communications LTR - TG 0-12-055 (confirmed 8/17/2018)
RAM - OneVoice - TG 100600 – not 100% but I may have verified this when the OneVoice system went live, can't find it in any emails or notes.

Am-B-Care seems to be gone
Pathways was bought out by Alert

National may be the unknown listing on TCC.
Tower Communications LTR - TG 0-08-064 not active overnight or so far today

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#15 Post by MrSvenSven » 18 Aug 2018 12:28

Does Medcare Emergency Health have a presence in the Springfield area? I know they are the main (if not only) private company in Greenfield and they do a lot of 911 work and ALS intercepts in Franklin county. The former Baystate Health 155mhz has gone silent so I don't know what they are using up in Greenfield.

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#16 Post by garys » 18 Aug 2018 12:53

They are on a different LTR system licensed to Three-Way Communications out of Hartford, CT. WQHV. The tower is in Agawam, although the Wiki shows it as Mt. Tom. http://www.scan-ne.net/wiki/index.php?t ... nies_in_MA

I'll update the frequency/LCN information on that page sometime today.

At least one of those Talk Groups was active on my last trip out to Springfield, which was about a year ago.

According to their website, they have offices in Springfield and Greenfield.
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Does Medcare Emergency Health have a presence in the Springfield area? I know they are the main (if not only) private company in Greenfield and they do a lot of 911 work and ALS intercepts in Franklin county. The former Baystate Health 155mhz has gone silent so I don't know what they are using up in Greenfield.

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#17 Post by garys » 18 Aug 2018 13:04

I confirmed Action last year when I was in Springfield.

Just to clarify, is the site that you have 0-08-164 listed on the same site as 0-12-155?

I have 152.442500 with a DCS of 311 for AMR Springfield. Your information is far more current, though.

The latest OEMS licensed ambulance service listing (6/2018) shows RAM with 5 ambulances and National with 19. The traffic on 100600 seems more consistent with a larger service, but maybe not. The unit numbers for RAM might not be consecutive for whatever reason.

Maybe someone who is out there frequently can give us some confirmations.

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cdgordon wrote:
18 Aug 2018 09:33
The link Bill provided is the TCC system. The 5 channels shown as confirmed are what I have in the system, others were on the license only.

This is what I have gathered on Greater Springfield commercial EMS:
Action - 453.7000, D743 - not recently heard, very weak at my home.
Alert - ICE TRS - TG 232
AMR - 155.2950 pl 91.5 - (confirmed 8/17/2018) (Simulcast on Springfield CMED MED 9, PL 100.0)
National - unknown, see below
Pioneer Valley - Tower Communications LTR - TG 0-12-055 (confirmed 8/17/2018)
RAM - OneVoice - TG 100600 – not 100% but I may have verified this when the OneVoice system went live, can't find it in any emails or notes.

Am-B-Care seems to be gone
Pathways was bought out by Alert

National may be the unknown listing on TCC.
Tower Communications LTR - TG 0-08-064 not active overnight or so far today

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#18 Post by cdgordon » 18 Aug 2018 16:48

Both of the LTR TGs I listed are from the channels I found several years ago when I logged all the LTR systems I could hear from my home. Short of approaching each tower with no antenna, I can't verify that they each come out of the same site.

Tower Communications (TCC) out of Chicopee bought out 3 Way Communications. 3 Way was more into the surveillance camera network and data part of communications when they were sold. The site in Granby CT has not been maintained and is pretty much abandoned.

I should have added a note to Action. I don't know if the 453.7000 channel was for Holyoke only. Not sure if they have any other communications systems for other parts of the area.

I heard that there was some unexplained issue with AMRs communications system after they went to the 151 channel. They were on it for a relatively short time and went back to the old system.

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#19 Post by garys » 18 Aug 2018 18:17

For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to the 3 Way and Tower LTRs as separate entities. That might make my questions a bit more clear.

Are the two unknown ambulance TGs from the same set of frequencies that are "Tower Communications."? I had that system in my scanner last year, but only heard what seemed like an oil company.

I just want to put the TGs in the correct system.

The MedCare TGs I have are on the 3 Way site. Or were last year when I was out there.

The 3 way site on Mt Tom is still licensed to 3 Way on the FCC database. Which is why I put them that way on the MA Private Ambulance page in the Wiki. Would it make sense to change that to "Tower Communications - Agawam."

That's a good though about Action. It wouldn't be a surprise if they can only use 453.700 for calls in Holyoke. The frequency is licensed to Action, but Holyoke might require them not to use that for anything but calls in Holyoke. They also have the contract for Hadley, MA.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that they are using other frequencies or even a SMR trunk system out there.


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Both of the LTR TGs I listed are from the channels I found several years ago when I logged all the LTR systems I could hear from my home. Short of approaching each tower with no antenna, I can't verify that they each come out of the same site.

Tower Communications (TCC) out of Chicopee bought out 3 Way Communications. 3 Way was more into the surveillance camera network and data part of communications when they were sold. The site in Granby CT has not been maintained and is pretty much abandoned.

I should have added a note to Action. I don't know if the 453.7000 channel was for Holyoke only. Not sure if they have any other communications systems for other parts of the area.

I heard that there was some unexplained issue with AMRs communications system after they went to the 151 channel. They were on it for a relatively short time and went back to the old system.

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#20 Post by cdgordon » 18 Aug 2018 20:17

The two LTR talkgroups discussed are from the TCC system on Mt Tom.
As fewer users use LTR, it gets more difficult to determine accurately how many channels are still in use. I used SDTTrunk and confirmed the 5 previous frequencies from the WIKI listing are still in use and I removed the others. They no longer show any LTR idle indicators. I also added the EMS talkgroups as well as a couple others I logged.

I looked at what you posted for the 3 Way system. I have entered those channels into SDRTrunk and will run them for a few days. I recognize those talkgroups from my LTR decoding days. I also suspect there is not the full 7 channels still in use at that site but I will monitor. I am getting LTR idle indicator on only a couple of those channels.

For anyone looking to chase LTR signals, if you don't have a tapped radio, the easiest way using a Uniden scanner is to set up a custom search with the Control Channel Only option turned on. It will show the LTR activity when there is LTR activity on a channel.

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#21 Post by garys » 18 Aug 2018 21:04

Thanks for clarifying that, the confusion was mine.

I expect most LTR systems to go away as the operators convince clients to buy new radios and move to DMR or NXDN trunk systems.

I'll give that LTR thing a try if I find a system I want to figure out.
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The two LTR talkgroups discussed are from the TCC system on Mt Tom.
As fewer users use LTR, it gets more difficult to determine accurately how many channels are still in use. I used SDTTrunk and confirmed the 5 previous frequencies from the WIKI listing are still in use and I removed the others. They no longer show any LTR idle indicators. I also added the EMS talkgroups as well as a couple others I logged.

I looked at what you posted for the 3 Way system. I have entered those channels into SDRTrunk and will run them for a few days. I recognize those talkgroups from my LTR decoding days. I also suspect there is not the full 7 channels still in use at that site but I will monitor. I am getting LTR idle indicator on only a couple of those channels.

For anyone looking to chase LTR signals, if you don't have a tapped radio, the easiest way using a Uniden scanner is to set up a custom search with the Control Channel Only option turned on. It will show the LTR activity when there is LTR activity on a channel.

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Re: OneVoice TG 100600 Unk Ambulance provider

#22 Post by OceanNora » 25 Aug 2018 12:01

Based on listening to 100600 on the OneVoice system, I've found the following unit designations:
52, 56, 58, 60, 62, 64, 68, 70, 72, 74, 76, 78, 82, 84, and 88

It should be noted that it appears (from photos on the internet and from the handful of times I've seen National trucks) that National unit designations are in the 50-80 series and even numbers, which would match the callsigns heard. On the other hand, RAM is licensed for 5 trucks, and their unit designations appear to be in the single digits prefixed by a "R-." That being said, someone with local knowledge may have more insight into it.

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#23 Post by garys » 25 Aug 2018 14:02

I noticed the unit number range, but not that it was even numbers only. The range concurs with what I've been hearing. The odd thing is that it seems they only do calls in Chicopee. Unless there is another radio system they also use.

I've been listening to something else for the past few days, but I've confirmed what I wanted to know and so I will switch back to listening to this.

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OceanNora wrote:
25 Aug 2018 12:01
Based on listening to 100600 on the OneVoice system, I've found the following unit designations:
52, 56, 58, 60, 62, 64, 68, 70, 72, 74, 76, 78, 82, 84, and 88

It should be noted that it appears (from photos on the internet and from the handful of times I've seen National trucks) that National unit designations are in the 50-80 series and even numbers, which would match the callsigns heard. On the other hand, RAM is licensed for 5 trucks, and their unit designations appear to be in the single digits prefixed by a "R-." That being said, someone with local knowledge may have more insight into it.

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#24 Post by Citywide 173 » 25 Aug 2018 14:27

garys wrote:
25 Aug 2018 14:02
I noticed the unit number range, but not that it was even numbers only. The range concurs with what I've been hearing. The odd thing is that it seems they only do calls in Chicopee. Unless there is another radio system they also use.

I've been listening to something else for the past few days, but I've confirmed what I wanted to know and so I will switch back to listening to this.

Gary
When I worked at LifeLine (the real one,) the ambulances had even numbers and chair cars had odd numbers. Each operated on their own frequency. Just a thought.

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#25 Post by garys » 25 Aug 2018 14:49

From the pictures I saw at the National site, that seems to be the way the unit numbers work.

So far, only that one TG has shown up on Site 69. That might be because the ambulance range further around the state and affiliate with more sites.

Someone in the Springfield area might here more TGs than we do.

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