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CT new radio system activity

#1 Post by cdgordon » 01 Dec 2018 14:27

I was sending someone an email several days ago about the number of new systems and towns joining other systems. I figure I will post the same info here simply to pass it on.

- Windsor voters have approved spending money for a new town wide radio system. Possibly joining the State system but sounds like it is preliminary. WPD is off the LTR TRS now.
- Bloomfield talking about a new system for the town. Sounds like they are in discussion with Windsor about joining their effort. Recently tested on the CT SW P25 system.
- Avon looking at a new P25 UHF TRS. Their referendum is scheduled for 12/12/2018. They refuse to join any part of the statewide system instead choosing to build their own.
- Middletown has built and is currently testing their new 800MHz P25 P2 trunked system. The 9 site system will be for all city agencies.

CT STatewide 700/800 P25 P2 system.
Progress is being made with several new cells online in the last several months. Keep in mind that until the full switchover, a conversation may not necessarily be heard on the P25 part of the system. In some cases, only one radio may be affiliated on a Troop's P25 talkgroup. If they shut off that radio and there are no radios affiliated on that cell for that talk group, the traffic will not be transmitted. Once certain radios (office radios, consoles, etc) are migrated over, the traffic will be more reliably heard.
I believe Troops B, D, K, and L still have to be finished. I also don't know if all the sites are switched on for each of the newer cells that are already on the air.
Once the new system is fully online, expect a number of new State agencies to be on it. CONNDOT has been testing and

As many will know, a number of municipal police departments will be joining the (soon to be) Statewide P25 P2 system.
- Stonington PD - credited with doing all the initial work by setting up an agreement with the state, they are trying to get Harris portables accepted by the state for use on the system.
- Groton PD will likely be the first to go live with it expected to happen by Christmas. Groton Long Point PD will be with them.
- Norwich PD - residents voted in the November referendum to replace the PD radio system. They have stated they hope to go live in late 2019
I would be surprised if Hartford wasn't looking at this especially if the Harris radios are approved. Stonington, Groton, Hartford and now Torrington all have ex-CSP troopers as their chiefs. Torrington FD indicates they want to go to the system.


I am sure there are a bunch that I missed. I rarely hear radio news from SW CT.

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#2 Post by jrm3607 » 08 Dec 2018 21:50

So I ran into a document recently that listed several new interop channels on the DESPP/CTS Trunk that are new to me. Not sure if anyone has any info on TGIDs.

CONNCOM 1 - either TG1501 or 2033?
CONNCOM 2 - ?
CT TAC A - ?
CT TAC B - ?
CT TAC C - ?
CT TAC D - ?
CT TAC E - ?
CT TAC F - ?
CT TAC G - ?
CT TAC H - ?
CT TAC I - ?
CT TAC J - ?
CONNSEC 1 - ? ENC
CONNSEC 2 - ? ENC
CTSECTAC 1 - ? ENC
CTSECTAC 2 - ? ENC
CTSECTAC 3 - ? ENC
CTSECTAC 4 - ? ENC
CTSECTAC 5 - ? ENC
CTSECTAC 6 - ? ENC
CTSECTAC 7 - ? ENC
CTSECTAC 8 - ? ENC

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#3 Post by cdgordon » 09 Dec 2018 09:03

I think those were all added around the time of rebanding, 2012 perhaps? As you show, about half are secure talk groups. the others are clear. When the P25 upgrade is complete, it is looking like many of the interop talkgroups will be realigned to a new template. This is probably why there are some groups that show 2 different TGs assigned.
These you posted are all very rarely used with total activity on them only a couple times a year. Perhaps with more varied users coming to the system there will be more of a need.
The clear Tac TGs are odd numbers from 3047 (A), the secure tacs uses each number from 4071 (1).

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#4 Post by jrm3607 » 09 Dec 2018 09:51

cdgordon wrote:
09 Dec 2018 09:03
I think those were all added around the time of rebanding, 2012 perhaps? As you show, about half are secure talk groups. the others are clear. When the P25 upgrade is complete, it is looking like many of the interop talkgroups will be realigned to a new template. This is probably why there are some groups that show 2 different TGs assigned.
These you posted are all very rarely used with total activity on them only a couple times a year. Perhaps with more varied users coming to the system there will be more of a need.
The clear Tac TGs are odd numbers from 3047 (A), the secure tacs uses each number from 4071 (1).

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Will be interesting to see what happens as the system continues to get built out. Thank you for the insight!

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#5 Post by cdgordon » 14 Dec 2018 12:11

The Avon system was approved by voters on 12/12/2018 and they stated it will take a year to build.

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#6 Post by jrm3607 » 11 Jun 2019 15:42

Connecticut State Police switched over to the new P25 system today. Guessing some of the 800mhz frequencies from the SmartZone system will start to be moved over to the P25.

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#7 Post by W1KNE » 11 Jun 2019 18:23

Is the analog system still hot or is it dead?

Can you still get a CC on it?
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#8 Post by garys » 11 Jun 2019 18:43

From the thread on RR, it seems that most of the 800Mhz sites are off line, but a few are still carrying traffic.

Hopefully, the CT contingent here will provide information so we can update the Wiki.

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Can you still get a CC on it?
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#9 Post by WoodburyMan » 11 Jun 2019 18:44

Verified the Troop L control frequency on the Type-II system is dead in Woodbury.

I checked and found a control channel for P25 CSERN system utilizing a old Troop L 800mhz frequency on the new CSERN P25 system.
This was an old Alternate Control Channel for the SmartZone system, makes sense so the radios will failover to it.
I have verified and heard at least Troop L Dispatch and Troop L Car/Car (TG501/503) and Troop B Dispatch and Car/Car (TG051/503) on this as well as some Troop H and a few others.

859.762500MHz
NAC: 3A1h
System ID: 3A9h
RFSS ID: 1
WACN: BEE00h
Site ID: 31


Does anyone have any tips to figure out where this is physically? This frequency is covered under the WPPW600 license, and looking at it it could be in:
Middlebury
Torrington
Southbury
Bloomfield
New Milford
Goshen

Realistically, you can cross out Goshen and New Milford, Bloomfield from my QTH those are unreachable on UHF and VHF amataeur bands, it ain't going to make it on 850mhz. Torrington may be a far stretch. It's most likely Southbury or Middlebury.

I went through and tested all the other Litchfield County site frequencies from the SmartZone system, negative from my current location. Troop A still has it's SmartZone control channel active and running, but that was one of the simulcast sites.


I can also hear the Wolcott site (Mostly Troop A traffic) and Plymouth Site (Mostly A and L traffic) from here in Woodbury as well. The 800mhz seems to come in the best.
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#10 Post by jrm3607 » 11 Jun 2019 23:56

WoodburyMan wrote:
11 Jun 2019 18:44
Verified the Troop L control frequency on the Type-II system is dead in Woodbury.

I checked and found a control channel for P25 CSERN system utilizing a old Troop L 800mhz frequency on the new CSERN P25 system.
This was an old Alternate Control Channel for the SmartZone system, makes sense so the radios will failover to it.
I have verified and heard at least Troop L Dispatch and Troop L Car/Car (TG501/503) and Troop B Dispatch and Car/Car (TG051/503) on this as well as some Troop H and a few others.

859.762500MHz
NAC: 3A1h
System ID: 3A9h
RFSS ID: 1
WACN: BEE00h
Site ID: 31


Does anyone have any tips to figure out where this is physically? This frequency is covered under the WPPW600 license, and looking at it it could be in:
Middlebury
Torrington
Southbury
Bloomfield
New Milford
Goshen

Realistically, you can cross out Goshen and New Milford, Bloomfield from my QTH those are unreachable on UHF and VHF amataeur bands, it ain't going to make it on 850mhz. Torrington may be a far stretch. It's most likely Southbury or Middlebury.

I went through and tested all the other Litchfield County site frequencies from the SmartZone system, negative from my current location. Troop A still has it's SmartZone control channel active and running, but that was one of the simulcast sites.


I can also hear the Wolcott site (Mostly Troop A traffic) and Plymouth Site (Mostly A and L traffic) from here in Woodbury as well. The 800mhz seems to come in the best.
I would guess this site you found is the Troop L Simulcast as that should be site 31. I would assume it's simulcasting from all of those sites, but of course will need to be verified by monitoring.

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#11 Post by WoodburyMan » 12 Jun 2019 11:52

jrm3607 wrote:
11 Jun 2019 23:56
I would guess this site you found is the Troop L Simulcast as that should be site 31. I would assume it's simulcasting from all of those sites, but of course will need to be verified by monitoring.
Yep. I verified it is Site 31 from my SDS200 receiving it.
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On my drive in today as well I also verified it's Simulcasting. I'm not sure what broadcast location I pick up at home in Woodbury (As Middlebury is blocked from me), but I verified both this and "Troop A Simulcast" is being broadcast from the tower on I-84 between Exit 16-17 in Middlebury. So it seems all old CSP Type-II system Troop L Simulcast sites have transitioned and use this frequency as their control channels for P25 CSERN now.

Dubbing this "Troop L Simulcast" for now. I also like to note Troop B traffic is also constantly flowing across this as well as Troop H traffic. I just don't know how to get alternate control channels from this. I've watched it and heard 2 frequencies being used by it so far, nothing else with close to 24 hours monitoring down now.

The Troop A Simulcast / Plymouth site also has Troop L broadcasting from it constantly.

I suspect both Troop B and Troop D control channels have switched to old Type-II 850MHz channels on CSERN as well. I may be able to take a trip up to Troop B territory this weekend to verify and see if I can discover that site as well, however Toop D is too far out there for me to check out. Someone closer by will need to find it.
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#12 Post by jrm3607 » 12 Jun 2019 13:10

WoodburyMan wrote:
12 Jun 2019 11:52
Yep. I verified it is Site 31 from my SDS200 receiving it.

On my drive in today as well I also verified it's Simulcasting. I'm not sure what broadcast location I pick up at home in Woodbury (As Middlebury is blocked from me), but I verified both this and "Troop A Simulcast" is being broadcast from the tower on I-84 between Exit 16-17 in Middlebury. So it seems all old CSP Type-II system Troop L Simulcast sites have transitioned and use this frequency as their control channels for P25 CSERN now.

Dubbing this "Troop L Simulcast" for now. I also like to note Troop B traffic is also constantly flowing across this as well as Troop H traffic. I just don't know how to get alternate control channels from this. I've watched it and heard 2 frequencies being used by it so far, nothing else with close to 24 hours monitoring down now.

The Troop A Simulcast / Plymouth site also has Troop L broadcasting from it constantly.

I suspect both Troop B and Troop D control channels have switched to old Type-II 850MHz channels on CSERN as well. I may be able to take a trip up to Troop B territory this weekend to verify and see if I can discover that site as well, however Toop D is too far out there for me to check out. Someone closer by will need to find it.
Nice work, you'll need a control channel decoder such as Unitrunker to figure out alternate control channels to the best of my knowledge. Someone else might be able to chime in on that with more knowledge though.

Troop B Simulcast should be Site 23 with possibly 851.8625 as the control channel
Troop D Simulcast should be Site 25, don't have any infomation on that yet.
Troop K Simulcast should be Site 30, also don't have any infomation on that yet, both D and K cells should be using the old 800 frequencies.
Someone on radioreference mentioned a control channel on 859.9375 coming up as Site 37, that should either be Sharon or Washington.

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#13 Post by garys » 12 Jun 2019 15:08

DSD+ shows secondary control channels, even when they are not active. I've seen that when monitoring the 700mhz overlay in the Boston area.
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#14 Post by cdgordon » 12 Jun 2019 21:01

Back from my month of backpacking in California.
I did some WIKI updating for Sites and channels. More confirmations to come.

Troop L Simulcast
BEE00.3A9-1.31 NAC 3A1

859.7625 CC
858.4875 SCC
857.4875 SCC
856.4875 SCC
855.8125 VC
852.3250 VC

Troop B Simulcast
BEE00.3A9-1.23 NAC 3A3

853.6125 CC
852.2250 SCC
851.8625 SCC
851.6125 SCC
853.0375 VC
851.1375 VC

Like the other sites, only Phase 1 CSP traffic so far on these.
Troop H 800 Motorola 4.1 still running, seeing some DOC and DEEP on it.

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#15 Post by WoodburyMan » 29 Jun 2019 23:11

Database seems to have most of the data.

It's still missing two sites that are being reported.

Site 37 Control Frequency of 853.050000 is in Westbrook area maybe, somewhere in South East part of state linked to at least Troop F site.

Site 38 Control Frequency of 774.518750 is in Troop B area somewhere, possibly Warramaug or Sharon, and linked to at least Troop B site (*Not* L however so it must be pretty far North, leaning towards Sharon).

I got Unitrunker and DSD+ setup going now as well as OP25. Once I make a trip to these areas I can document them a bit more.
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#16 Post by cdgordon » 30 Jun 2019 07:44

WQYR342 is the license for 853.0500 along with 852.3250. It is licensed at Old Lyme PD, 294 Shore Rd, Old Lyme.

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#17 Post by ecps92 » 30 Jun 2019 08:11

Data will generally be added when a submission is made, vs forum postings

Please submit new/updated Data if you have it
https://www.scan-ne.net/sne/viewtopic.p ... 7&p=146630
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Database seems to have most of the data.

It's still missing two sites that are being reported.

Site 37 Control Frequency of 853.050000 is in Westbrook area maybe, somewhere in South East part of state linked to at least Troop F site.

Site 38 Control Frequency of 774.518750 is in Troop B area somewhere, possibly Warramaug or Sharon, and linked to at least Troop B site (*Not* L however so it must be pretty far North, leaning towards Sharon).

I got Unitrunker and DSD+ setup going now as well as OP25. Once I make a trip to these areas I can document them a bit more.
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