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VE2FXL

#26 Post by VE2FXL » 22 Mar 2013 07:44

Hi all, I'm a member now :) . The discussion about the new ground stations and my SMU station has led me to take my membership. Thanks for accepting me in.

Luc
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#27 Post by Scott SNE Webmaster » 22 Mar 2013 12:17

Nice to have you aboard, Luc. If you don't mind, what are you using for equipment there so I can add your info to the Wiki page I'm building for our network. Thanks!
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cacti21

#28 Post by cacti21 » 22 Mar 2013 13:41

Hello Everyone,

John Locker (PlanePlotter support) sugested I have a look at what you folks are doing for the New England GS network. I'm sharer hK in Billerica, MA. I've been playing with PlanePlotter for awhile with my 6 year old Radar Box, however, PlanePlotter really shines with Kinetics hardware so I upgraded to the SBS-3 to get the true benefit of PlanePlotter. I don't have an interest in comercial aviation, my only interest is in military aircraft so I don't know how much I can bring to the table here. Glad to be a part of the New England network.

Bill Jasset
Billerica, MA

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#29 Post by Scott SNE Webmaster » 22 Mar 2013 13:50

Nice to have you on board, Bill. I think you'll find that a majority of us lean towards milair interest as well. I've added your information into the Wiki page I'm developing for this topic. What type of antenna are you using? I'm also looking at the eventual purchase of an SBS-3. One other member (SteveANE) has one as well.
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SteveANE

#30 Post by SteveANE » 22 Mar 2013 13:57

cacti21 wrote:Hello Everyone,

John Locker (PlanePlotter support) sugested I have a look at what you folks are doing for the New England GS network. I'm sharer hK in Billerica, MA. I've been playing with PlanePlotter for awhile with my 6 year old Radar Box, however, PlanePlotter really shines with Kinetics hardware so I upgraded to the SBS-3 to get the true benefit of PlanePlotter. I don't have an interest in comercial aviation, my only interest is in military aircraft so I don't know how much I can bring to the table here. Glad to be a part of the New England network.

Bill Jasset
Billerica, MA
Of the people I've talked to in this area, it seems like everyone's primary interest is milair when it comes to PlanePlotter/Mode S. I'm the same way.

cacti21

#31 Post by cacti21 » 22 Mar 2013 14:55

Thank you, Scott,

I use the DPD Productions ADS-B antenna (the outdoor model). I upgraded to the SBS-3 for the ethernet feature (among others), but the coolest feature (I think) is PlanePlotters ability to tune the built in radio to ATC freqs automatically as aircraft transition from sector to sector. This is just one of the reasons PlanePlotter and Kinetics hardware fit together so well. You won't be disappointed with the purchase of an SBS-3, I'm sure Steve will agree.

Bill Jasset
Billerica, MA

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#32 Post by JFR » 22 Mar 2013 15:15

Welcome, Luc & Bill!
Yeah, I think most of us do it for the Mil-Air!

-JR

cacti21

#33 Post by cacti21 » 22 Mar 2013 15:38

JFR wrote:Welcome, Luc & Bill!
Yeah, I think most of us do it for the Mil-Air!

-JR
Thanks, JR

If that's the case, then this will be a great forum, I don't know of any "military" mode-s forums

Bill Jasset
Billerica, MA

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#34 Post by bgav » 22 Mar 2013 17:25

Welcome aboard Luc & Bill!

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#35 Post by VE2FXL » 22 Mar 2013 17:46

Scott SNE Webmaster wrote:Nice to have you aboard, Luc. If you don't mind, what are you using for equipment there so I can add your info to the Wiki page I'm building for our network. Thanks!
I'm using only a Nooelec RTL2832u R820t dongle with active USB extender, original dongle antenna on a cookie sheet over a plastic trash can near my outside door. Only at 4 feet high. Longest capture was at 175.2 nm at 59 degree. So it has a good coverage from NW to SE and really bad for the rest as it's blocked from the house there. It's under the carport. I hope to increase the coverage this summer with a more convenient antenna and location. I have ordered two other RTL2832u R820T dongle from China this time at 11 CAD only shipped! They will be for tests, VHF and later HF monitoring when I will buy and HF converter.

SteveANE

#36 Post by SteveANE » 22 Mar 2013 17:49

175nm on the stock antenna! That's impressive!

VE2FXL

#37 Post by VE2FXL » 22 Mar 2013 17:54

It's because it's outside but once I had 160 nm inside near a window (2 feet from it) at 4 feet high in first floor

SteveANE

#38 Post by SteveANE » 23 Mar 2013 14:43

cacti21 wrote:Thank you, Scott,

I use the DPD Productions ADS-B antenna (the outdoor model). I upgraded to the SBS-3 for the ethernet feature (among others), but the coolest feature (I think) is PlanePlotters ability to tune the built in radio to ATC freqs automatically as aircraft transition from sector to sector. This is just one of the reasons PlanePlotter and Kinetics hardware fit together so well. You won't be disappointed with the purchase of an SBS-3, I'm sure Steve will agree.

Bill Jasset
Billerica, MA
So far I've only used the radio in the SBS-3 for ACARS decoding, and I haven't been too impressed. Even with an antenna hooked up away from the unit, I'm not able to get strong reception, even when I tries a strong signal like a weather channel. I probably need to fiddle with it some more. Would you mind sharing your file with the ATC freqs and boundaries?

Steve

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#39 Post by cacti21 » 23 Mar 2013 17:06

SteveANE wrote:So far I've only used the radio in the SBS-3 for ACARS decoding, and I haven't been too impressed. Even with an antenna hooked up away from the unit, I'm not able to get strong reception, even when I tries a strong signal like a weather channel. I probably need to fiddle with it some more. Would you mind sharing your file with the ATC freqs and boundaries?

Steve
Steve,

The SBS-3 radio is adequate for receiving ATC freqs, while I agree it's not a great radio it gets the job done for the purpose of tracking acft. I've attached the sectorfreqs.txt file (at least I hope I have). DISCLAIMER: I created this file from old data and I'm finding the coordinates are off a bit, for example, acft coming from the north on ZBW 02 are switching to ZBW 46 before reaching the ZBW 46 boundary, so the northern boundary for ZBW 02 has to be moved up (northward). I just started playing with this feature in Planeplotter and threw together a sectorfreq.txt, it's probably going to need a lot of tweaking so I apologize if it doesn't meet your expectations. Planeplotter only allows you to create polygon boundaries, ZBW sectors are anything but, so theres a lot of overlap needed. In any event, this will get you started. Also, this file DOES NOT contain all the ZBW sectors, it only contains the sectors that I'm interested in.

Bill Jasset
Billerica, MA
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#40 Post by cacti21 » 23 Mar 2013 17:16

SteveANE wrote:So far I've only used the radio in the SBS-3 for ACARS decoding, and I haven't been too impressed. Even with an antenna hooked up away from the unit, I'm not able to get strong reception, even when I tries a strong signal like a weather channel. I probably need to fiddle with it some more. Would you mind sharing your file with the ATC freqs and boundaries?

Steve
Steve,

The SBS-3 radio is adequate for receiving ATC freqs, while I agree it's not a great radio it gets the job done for the purpose of tracking acft. I've attached the sectorfreqs.txt file (at least I hope I have). DISCLAIMER: I created this file from old data and I'm finding the coordinates are off a bit, for example, acft coming from the north on ZBW 02 are switching to ZBW 46 before reaching the ZBW 46 boundary, so the northern boundary for ZBW 02 has to be moved up (northward). I just started playing with this feature in Planeplotter and threw together a sectorfreq.txt, it's probably going to need a lot of tweaking so I apologize if it doesn't meet your expectations. Planeplotter only allows you to create polygon boundaries, ZBW sectors are anything but, so theres a lot of overlap needed. In any event, this will get you started. Also, this file DOES NOT contain all the ZBW sectors, it only contains the sectors that I'm interested in.

Bill Jasset
Billerica, MA

SteveANE

#41 Post by SteveANE » 23 Mar 2013 17:47

Thanks, Bill! I was working on one myself a while back, but lost it when I changed computers. One thing I found when I was researching it is that the sector boundaries aren't a hard-and-fast line. Apparently the exact point a plane gets handed off is dependent on a number of factors, and fluctuates a bit. I'll give the radio another try with your file.

cacti21

#42 Post by cacti21 » 23 Mar 2013 18:55

SteveANE wrote:Thanks, Bill! I was working on one myself a while back, but lost it when I changed computers. One thing I found when I was researching it is that the sector boundaries aren't a hard-and-fast line. Apparently the exact point a plane gets handed off is dependent on a number of factors, and fluctuates a bit. I'll give the radio another try with your file.
Your absolutely right, handoff points vary greatly, however, theres enough overlap in the boundaries so the SBS-3 will monitor both freqs and "in theory" you don't miss anything

Bill Jasset
Billerica, MA

MikeMike

#43 Post by MikeMike » 29 Apr 2013 11:06

Greetings folks... Sorry to be late to the party but I'm sharer "mN" on the Connecticut coast. My name is Mike and I've been involved with MilAir monitoring for several years now. Only recently have I become involved with PlanePlotter (thanks to many of you already here on this board!). Some may already know me from some of the various MILAIR groups and if it helps jog the memory, I typically sign all my MILAIR posts / emails with "MikeMike, Central CT Shoreline".

I have the DPD Productions ADS-B antenna feeding a RTL dongle to a dedicated computer that runs 24/7. Running the CAT5 wires, etc. in the next few weeks to support moving the antenna and the set-up in with all of my radio equipment which will also allow me to have the antenna in the attic versus the eave in the garage. Also should be adding a SBS-3 to the mix as well. Will keep you posted.

For now, just wanted to help fill in some blanks on who I was, etc. I am also a member of the Facebook page that I think I've already seen mentioned in the forum. Sharer "Kf" should also know how to get a hold of me should the need arise as we've traded emails.

Thanks for creating this forum and I look forward to contributing in any way.

Sincerely,
Mike

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#44 Post by JFR » 29 Apr 2013 20:40

Welcome Mike!

-JR (wn)

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#45 Post by MikeMike » 09 May 2013 09:27

Just an update but I just switched over to an SBS3 and moved my DPD antenna higher with now only a 20' run of LMR-400 cable. Already seeing a huge difference in both total receptions but also in how far out I can track aircraft. In fact, I'm picking up stuff well past BOS so I should be able to help you all in the MA area with MLAT's much better than I was. Running SBSPlotter also for the day so I'm looking forward to seeing what the outline looks like later tonight.

I haven't had a chance to check the PP Yahoo Group to see if this is a more wide spread problem or directly related to my set-up but since switching, I've run the GMU test and I'm only getting 79-85 of the 100 packets of raw data. I haven't changed any router settings nor have I changed anything in PP other than pointing it to the new SBS box versus the RTL Dongle I was using. Any hints or ideas? The test site says if the problem persists I should check my router DoS / SIPR settings but I have no idea what that may entail.

Thanks again for having me here in this forum and thanks in advance for any hints on how to tweak my new set-up.

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#46 Post by JFR » 12 May 2013 22:27

Mike- your new setup is definitely helping. We're seeing Mlats in CT!

-JR

Seeker

#47 Post by Seeker » 05 Sep 2013 22:11

Hello fellow Air enthusiasts,
My name is Chris from New Hartford, CT and I am GS/MU y3. I was formerly JU, but had to switch to a different computer so Mark from Pinkfroot set me up with a new sharer code. I was offline for like a few weeks this summer due to a stupid Windows update that rebooted w/out auto starting PP back up, sorry all. I have a Mode-S Beast receiver with whatever antenna Pinkfroot provided me with that I mounted on my roof and extended higher with about 15" of PVC pipe. Neighbors must love the look ;)

What I would love to be able to provide is beamfinder fixes, but my radar location estimations are way off from the radar locations provided in a list elsewhere in this forum (I was tired last night so I don't remember where). But here is a combo of the given locations and the ones I have with low scatter. You can see they match up poorly. I believe my strongest local radars for NW CT are Westchester Airport, Newburgh, Kennedy/Laguardia, some strong station(s) in east-central Long Island, Windsor Locks, and perhaps Cummington or Albany.

Can anyone provide detail on the likely radar locations for my "Analysed ping logs?" I also would appreciate any tips on maximizing my quality and quantity of data contribution. And you can feel free to include my shared code and location info in the wiki.

;Cummington Sectors 5-8
II 1 42.474716 -72.968008 13




;Cummington Sectors 15-16
II 2 42.474716 -72.968008 13




;North Truro Sectors 3-23
II 2 42.949995 -71.299220 13




;Manchester MHT
II 2 42.034546 -70.054383 12.987




;North Truro Sectors 26, 27, 29, 30
II 3 42.949995 -71.299220 13




;Portland/Cumberland PWM
II 4 43.828560 -70.266261 13.015




;Bucks Harbor QYA
II 5 44.629596 -67.395490 13




;Cummington Sectors 12-14
II 5 42.474716 -72.968008 13




;Windsor Locks
II 8 41.938569 -72.682492 12.973




;Boston BOS
II 9 42.348544 -71.006092 12.987




;St. Albans QHB
;II 11 44.78166 -73.06560




;Cummington Sectors 1-4
II 12 42.474716 -72.968008 13




;Coventry PVD
II 13 41.720802 -71.598399 12.987




;Cummington Sectors 9-11
;II 13 42.474716 -72.968008




;Nantucket ACK
II 14 41.248458 -70.060698 12.98




;Caribou QYD
II 15 46.885920 -67.971624 12.987




;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:13:35 scatter 9.2 (small is good)
II 14 41.8 -73.3 5.000


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:14:41 scatter 1.0 (small is good)
II 13 41.6 -71.6 13.001


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:15:28 scatter 2.6 (small is good)
II 12 41.1 -74.3 5.004


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:15:46 scatter 11.1 (small is good)
II 11 41.6 -72.3 5.017


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:16:43 scatter 1.4 (small is good)
II 10 40.4 -73.8 13.001


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:17:40 scatter 2.2 (small is good)
II 9 38.8 -72.9 13.015


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:18:05 scatter 10.5 (small is good)
II 8 40.6 -72.8 13.015


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:18:30 scatter 17.4 (small is good)
II 6 42.7 -74.1 13.001


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:19:21 scatter 1.7 (small is good)
II 5 41.5 -73.7 13.015


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:20:15 scatter 2.8 (small is good)
II 4 41.3 -73.1 12.987


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:21:03 scatter 1.6 (small is good)
II 3 41.4 -73.8 13.015


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:21:56 scatter 1.8 (small is good)
II 2 41.3 -71.3 13.001


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:22:56 scatter 1.8 (small is good)
II 2 41.3 -71.3 13.001


;measured (2) 2013-09-05 01:23:47 scatter 1.2 (small is good)
II 1 39.3 -74.9 13.015

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