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ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#1 Post by garys » 10 Aug 2018 19:37

This seems to be an ambulance company in Rhode Island. I can't get any of the RI towers, but can get Fall River and have heard it there over the past week or so. Maybe someone with a scanner with DMR or a SDR set up with DSD+ can identify it.

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#2 Post by pete » 11 Aug 2018 22:06

I believe this is Access Amb.https://www.accessambulance.com/Home.aspx They have offices in Pawtucket and Fall River. They are affiliated with Med Tech Amb in RI. As soon as I can confirm, I'll post it.

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#3 Post by garys » 11 Aug 2018 23:02

Thanks. Is it possible that Med Tech and Access share the TG?
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I believe this is Access Amb.https://www.accessambulance.com/Home.aspx They have offices in Pawtucket and Fall River. They are affiliated with Med Tech Amb in RI. As soon as I can confirm, I'll post it.

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#4 Post by OceanNora » 11 Aug 2018 23:48

On Access's website, the About Us describes it as "the sister company to MedTech," so it's definitely conceivable that they would share a TG.

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#5 Post by garys » 12 Aug 2018 10:18

Med Tech was on the analog ICE Johnston site, at least according to the Wiki. I don't know that any of the old system is still active, but I doubt it. It would make sense for them to move to the MotoTrbo system. Time will tell, I guess.

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#6 Post by disp617 » 12 Aug 2018 11:41

Access has also opened bases in Massachusetts also, Worcester and Sturbridge to be specific. I think they are also on the south shore, Brockton I think. It would make perfect sense for the to also be on the ICE trunk. There is no way they could share a talkgroup with Medtech. I see Access trucks all over Worcester County alone. I was told they are dispatched by some type of push to talk system in the Worcester area. I really hope they get on the trunk. Also they do back up for Worcester EMS along with the other privates in Worcester.

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#7 Post by pete » 12 Aug 2018 12:02

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Access has also opened bases in Massachusetts also, Worcester and Sturbridge to be specific. I think they are also on the south shore, Brockton I think. It would make perfect sense for the to also be on the ICE trunk. There is no way they could share a talkgroup with Medtech. I see Access trucks all over Worcester County alone. I was told they are dispatched by some type of push to talk system in the Worcester area. I really hope they get on the trunk. Also they do back up for Worcester EMS along with the other privates in Worcester.
Are you sure, or are you confusing them with EASCARE ? Eascare is active in the Worcester area and throughout the state and has several talkgroups on the ICE system. They also have the same color scheme (White/Green) on their trucks. As far as I know. Access is only active in the RI and Southeast MA area.

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#8 Post by disp617 » 12 Aug 2018 12:29

110% positive! Their base was on Grafton Street, they've since moved to Freemont Street in Worcester. If you look at their facebook page you'll see. Scroll down to April 20th.https://www.facebook.com/accessambulance/?ref=br_rs

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#9 Post by garys » 12 Aug 2018 12:48

You're confirming the Talk Group as 562?

Do you hear them out there on that Talk Group?

I see they have a base in Brockton. Which would explain why I've seen their ambulances in Boston more frequently.
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110% positive! Their base was on Grafton Street, they've since moved to Freemont Street in Worcester. If you look at their facebook page you'll see. Scroll down to April 20th.https://www.facebook.com/accessambulance/?ref=br_rs

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#10 Post by disp617 » 12 Aug 2018 13:07

I can't confirm that talkgroup in use in Worcester. However I will plug it in for tomorrow. Like I said they are all over the Worcester area now and back up for WEMS. I also do not see any 900 antennas on the trucks as of now. Also as most know private ambulance companies have multiple talkgroups for different areas or ambulance vs chaircar. Being new on the system we should also watch for activity above and below 562 like when Brewster joined.

Sorry for the confusion, meant I was 110% sure Access was in Worcester, not confirming the talkgroup

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#11 Post by garys » 12 Aug 2018 17:59

Got it. Depending on the size of the company, they may only use one TG for a fairly wide area. Or maybe it just hasn't shown up yet.

As with Alert, we might hear central or western MA units on sites close to where the dispatch office is located. Which is why we can hear just about all of the active EasCare talk groups on the Quincy tower.

Antennas can be tricky. I saw an ambulance from one of the companies (I forget which one) that uses the ICE system the other day. It was one of those 2" spikes, not anything with gain. Plus, there are those hockey puck style low profile antennas that some vehicles have.
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I can't confirm that talkgroup in use in Worcester. However I will plug it in for tomorrow. Like I said they are all over the Worcester area now and back up for WEMS. I also do not see any 900 antennas on the trucks as of now. Also as most know private ambulance companies have multiple talkgroups for different areas or ambulance vs chaircar. Being new on the system we should also watch for activity above and below 562 like when Brewster joined.

Sorry for the confusion, meant I was 110% sure Access was in Worcester, not confirming the talkgroup

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#12 Post by disp617 » 14 Aug 2018 09:23

Confirmed Access. truck identified on the radio as Access Ambulance XX on radio

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#13 Post by garys » 14 Aug 2018 10:13

Good work, thanks. Now the question is if Med Tech and Access share the TG?
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Confirmed Access. truck identified on the radio as Access Ambulance XX on radio

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#14 Post by KC1DVN » 14 Aug 2018 13:27

ICE is all Encrypted.

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#15 Post by ecps92 » 14 Aug 2018 13:51

I think you are confusing the FEDERAL Agency known as ICE [and no, they are not 100% ENC] vs the Industrial Communications a Radio Rental [ICE] company
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#16 Post by trp » 14 Aug 2018 19:51

I just programmed ICE TG 562 into my TRX-2 today and I am picking up Access Ambulance on the Fall River, MA, the West Bridgewater, MA and the Johnston, RI towers (only 3 ICE towers that I am currently scanning). Further listening may reveal clues if this is strictly a TG for Access Ambulance or if it is also used by its sister company MedTech Ambulance.

Note: For those monitoring the ICE MotoTRBO Johnston, RI tower site, the SNE Wiki currently lists only 6 frequencies as being in use (last confirmed 06-14-2016). An up-to-date check with the Radio Reference database (database version 08-12-2018), however, reveals that there are currently 12 frequencies in use at the Johnston, RI ICE tower site all with Color Code 8:

LCN 1: 938.550000
LCN 2: 938.525000
LCN 3: 935.162500
LCN 4: 936.975000
LCN 5: 939.425000
LCN 6: 936.212500
LCN 7: 938.537500
LCN 8: 938.562500
LCN 9: 938.587500
LCN 10: 938.600000
LCN 11: 938.612500
LCN 12: 938.625000
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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#17 Post by garys » 14 Aug 2018 21:23

Thanks for the information, Tom. I also hear them on the Freetown, MA site, which I forgot to mention. I saw a couple of trucks heading into Boston this morning, so they are likely sometimes active on Quincy and the two Boston sites.

Med Tech is somewhere and since it appears that the Johnston analog site is shut down, the MotoTrbo system makes sense. Now, the trick is to figure out where they are.

As to the RRDB, they are wrong, we are right. LCN 7-12 may be for future expansion, but are not active yet. I generally don't get good copy of the Johnston site, but tonight I'm getting enough signal for DSD+ to decode the control channel. OTA Channels 1-12 are active, but nothing above that is.
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I just programmed ICE TG 562 into my TRX-2 today and I am picking up Access Ambulance on the Fall River, MA, the West Bridgewater, MA and the Johnston, RI towers (only 3 ICE towers that I am currently scanning). Further listening may reveal clues if this is strictly a TG for Access Ambulance or if it is also used by its sister company MedTech Ambulance.

Note: For those monitoring the ICE MotoTRBO Johnston, RI tower site, the SNE Wiki currently lists only 6 frequencies as being in use (last confirmed 06-14-2016). An up-to-date check with the Radio Reference database (database version 08-12-2018), however, reveals that there are currently 12 frequencies in use at the Johnston, RI ICE tower site all with Color Code 8:

LCN 1: 938.550000
LCN 2: 938.525000
LCN 3: 935.162500
LCN 4: 936.975000
LCN 5: 939.425000
LCN 6: 936.212500
LCN 7: 938.537500
LCN 8: 938.562500
LCN 9: 938.587500
LCN 10: 938.600000
LCN 11: 938.612500
LCN 12: 938.625000

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Re: ICE MotoTrbo TG 562

#18 Post by W1KNE » 14 Aug 2018 21:29

garys wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:23

As to the RRDB, they are wrong, we are right. LCN 7-12 may be for future expansion, but are not active yet. I generally don't get good copy of the Johnston site, but tonight I'm getting enough signal for DSD+ to decode the control channel. OTA Channels 1-12 are active, but nothing above that is.
Should LCN 7 - 12 be removed?

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#19 Post by garys » 14 Aug 2018 22:14

From what? Our Wiki is accurate.
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garys wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:23

As to the RRDB, they are wrong, we are right. LCN 7-12 may be for future expansion, but are not active yet. I generally don't get good copy of the Johnston site, but tonight I'm getting enough signal for DSD+ to decode the control channel. OTA Channels 1-12 are active, but nothing above that is.
Should LCN 7 - 12 be removed?

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#20 Post by trp » 14 Aug 2018 22:25

Not to further muddy the waters but the Scan New England Wiki (last confirmed in 2015 and 2016) lists 5 frequencies for the Fall River, MA ICE tower while the latest RR database (version 08-12-2018) lists 7 frequencies for the Fall River, MA ICE tower all with Color Code 10:

LCN 1: 939.300000
LCN 2: 939.325000
LCN 3: 939.475000
LCN 4: 936.962500
LCN 5: 937.887500
LCN 6: 937.900000
LCN 7: 937.912500

I don't know who (or what) the source of the information is for the current Radio Reference database for the ICE MotoTRBO system but I manually added the additional LCN frequencies that were not in the SNE Wiki to my ICE system programming for my TRX-2. If the additional LCN frequencies are not currently in use (or not in use yet), I figured it wouldn't hurt anything right now to have them programmed in for completeness. Perhaps I am missing something by doing that as I am not an expert at programming DMR/MotoTRBO radio systems at this point.
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#21 Post by garys » 14 Aug 2018 23:29

I don't know about the Whistler scanners, but it doesn't hurt anything to program not yet active frequencies in the Uniden scanners.

As to your other question, as of now Fall River uses only the five frequencies listed in the Wiki.

Also, at least on the ICE system all channels at a particular site use the same Color Code. The sites follow cycle through 15 of the available Color Codes (1-15), starting with Site 1, which is Kingston, MA. For whatever reason, ICE doesn't use CC 0. OTOH, Commtronics uses CC 0 at all of it's 900 Mhz MotoTrbo sites.

I've never heard of a MotoTrbo system that uses different CC for each frequency. I don't even know if that's possible. There are no doubt others here who would have a better idea.
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Not to further muddy the waters but the Scan New England Wiki (last confirmed in 2015 and 2016) lists 5 frequencies for the Fall River, MA ICE tower while the latest RR database (version 08-12-2018) lists 7 frequencies for the Fall River, MA ICE tower all with Color Code 10:

LCN 1: 939.300000
LCN 2: 939.325000
LCN 3: 939.475000
LCN 4: 936.962500
LCN 5: 937.887500
LCN 6: 937.900000
LCN 7: 937.912500

I don't know who (or what) the source of the information is for the current Radio Reference database for the ICE MotoTRBO system but I manually added the additional LCN frequencies that were not in the SNE Wiki to my ICE system programming for my TRX-2. If the additional LCN frequencies are not currently in use (or not in use yet), I figured it wouldn't hurt anything right now to have them programmed in for completeness. Perhaps I am missing something by doing that as I am not an expert at programming DMR/MotoTRBO radio systems at this point.

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#22 Post by trp » 15 Aug 2018 08:47

garys wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:23
...Med Tech is somewhere and since it appears that the Johnston analog site is shut down, the MotoTrbo system makes sense. Now, the trick is to figure out where they are...
From information gathered from someone who worked at MedTech Ambulance in Rhode Island in the past, they used to use handheld/portable Nextel Direct Connect to communicate with the dispatcher. They also had ICE analog radios in the trucks at the time but they were hardly used and only as a backup to the Nextel system. It was speculated that the only reason they had the ICE radios was to meet some sort of "radio communications in the ambulance" requirement from the Rhode Island Department of Health EMS licensing regulations.

The use of the Nextel Direct Connect was very inefficient for a couple of reasons. First there were a lot of busy signals when trying to reach the dispatcher if they were already engaged in a Direct Connect session with another user. Also all of the EMS units were "kept in the dark" (? if that was intentional or not) as to the status and current calls of any other MedTech units due to the private nature of Direct Connect communications.

Interestingly enough I heard an Access crew in the Worcester area this morning communicating with dispatch about a bariatric truck/stretcher and they were asked to contact dispatch via "Nextel." Perhaps Access is also using Nextel (or whatever its current equivalent is actually called these days) to communicate with dispatch when they don't want the communications heard by everyone monitoring the 562 Talk Group (including other Access units in the field).

Perhaps someone here on SNE has some further "inside knowledge" as to what is going on regarding radio communications at MedTech and Access currently?
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#23 Post by W1KNE » 15 Aug 2018 09:18

garys wrote:
14 Aug 2018 22:14
From what? Our Wiki is accurate.
W1KNE wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:29
garys wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:23

As to the RRDB, they are wrong, we are right. LCN 7-12 may be for future expansion, but are not active yet. I generally don't get good copy of the Johnston site, but tonight I'm getting enough signal for DSD+ to decode the control channel. OTA Channels 1-12 are active, but nothing above that is.
Should LCN 7 - 12 be removed?
Sorry that wasn't clear. I was asking about the RRDB and if they should be removed, Gary.

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#24 Post by garys » 15 Aug 2018 10:32

It doesn't matter to me. Despite the fact that I've been a Premium member since the beginning, I'm not a big fan of the way that the RRDB collects some of it's data. As a result, I provide data here, not there.
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15 Aug 2018 09:18
garys wrote:
14 Aug 2018 22:14
From what? Our Wiki is accurate.
W1KNE wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:29


Should LCN 7 - 12 be removed?
Sorry that wasn't clear. I was asking about the RRDB and if they should be removed, Gary.

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#25 Post by garys » 15 Aug 2018 10:40

There is a direct connect service, but I think it actually operates on the cell phone network. I read a bit about it a while ago, but forget the details.

One of the drawbacks of Nextel was although there was an option to do a "group call", it was expensive because it required using several cell sites simultaneously.

They probably use "Nextel" generically for any push to talk phone based system. Assuming there is one available. AT&T offered one, Verizon talked about it but never did, and Sprint failed spectacularly with their conversion of Nextel to push to talk on their network.

Or they could just refer to any company owned phones as "Nextel".

Just as in EMS we refer to just about any BVM as an "Ambu Bag." ;)
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15 Aug 2018 08:47
garys wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:23
...Med Tech is somewhere and since it appears that the Johnston analog site is shut down, the MotoTrbo system makes sense. Now, the trick is to figure out where they are...
From information gathered from someone who worked at MedTech Ambulance in Rhode Island in the past, they used to use handheld/portable Nextel Direct Connect to communicate with the dispatcher. They also had ICE analog radios in the trucks at the time but they were hardly used and only as a backup to the Nextel system. It was speculated that the only reason they had the ICE radios was to meet some sort of "radio communications in the ambulance" requirement from the Rhode Island Department of Health EMS licensing regulations.

The use of the Nextel Direct Connect was very inefficient for a couple of reasons. First there were a lot of busy signals when trying to reach the dispatcher if they were already engaged in a Direct Connect session with another user. Also all of the EMS units were "kept in the dark" (? if that was intentional or not) as to the status and current calls of any other MedTech units due to the private nature of Direct Connect communications.

Interestingly enough I heard an Access crew in the Worcester area this morning communicating with dispatch about a bariatric truck/stretcher and they were asked to contact dispatch via "Nextel." Perhaps Access is also using Nextel (or whatever its current equivalent is actually called these days) to communicate with dispatch when they don't want the communications heard by everyone monitoring the 562 Talk Group (including other Access units in the field).

Perhaps someone here on SNE has some further "inside knowledge" as to what is going on regarding radio communications at MedTech and Access currently?

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