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#1 Post by ecps92 » 23 Feb 2019 13:02

Adding this to the Statewide, altho based on Confirmed [Wiki edited] information heard, the result maybe in
Rhode Island, Southeastern Mass, Central Mass, Northern Mass or even New Hampshire.

While waiting for an Apointment on Friday, sat at the base of GBH [Great Blue Hill]
Most would not think this would be a good location, but the original intent was to re-ID some of the Ski Area channels.

Well, the reception with a small external antenna from that site is amazing. [Damn DMR tho]
Two + pages of notes, after notes, after notes

A couple of finds, that do need to be flushed out are:

462.0375 R 250.3 - Been around for years, but never tracked down
462.8375 R DPL Varies - one thought is a UHF link from one of the large TRS Radio Shops
451.2000 R 88.5
458.5375 S Telemetry [Fire Box ? or Water System] - might be Weston
462.3000 R D371
467.2125 S Telemetry
464.6375 R Analog LTR
453.0125 R 110.9 ID'd - Downlink for SWNH 154.4300
462.0000 R 107.2
462.4750 R 107.2
462.3000 R D371 - Wentworth ? Talk of Boiler/Maint Ops
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Re: Help to ID

#2 Post by JohnBolduc » 23 Feb 2019 17:18

453.0125 PL 110.9 is Southwest NH Mutual Fire Aid downlink for 154.430
I monitor this all the time in Londonderry NH.
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#3 Post by ecps92 » 24 Feb 2019 08:56

thanks John

And thanks for all those DPW updates in the past week, they are Much appreciated.

Wish more folks spent the time to search and share as you do
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453.0125 PL 110.9 is Southwest NH Mutual Fire Aid downlink for 154.430
I monitor this all the time in Londonderry NH.
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#4 Post by n1zyy » 04 Mar 2019 23:44

I love a good mystery. A few of these piqued my interested and I spent a bit seeing if I could find any leads in the FCC databases.
462.0375 R 250.3 - Been around for years, but never tracked down
Did you catch the nature of traffic? I see three Part 90 licenses in the state:
  • WQFQ933, Boston University. Licensed as one of 11 (!) analog FM 100W ERP repeaters at BU; 87.4m height
  • WQLI708, Marlboro Hudson Ambulance & Wheelchair Service Inc. One of 3 analog FM repeaters, 250W ERP, on Nobscot Hill.
  • WQZV860, Town of Longmeadow, but it's a YG license and it's not exactly close by.
464.6375 R Analog LTR
Dispatch has an FB6 license under WQTY254 in Waltham on this frequency, though seemingly on the tower that no longer exists there, and it's not listed on the wiki as being part of the Waltham or Boston systems. That license does include mention of "temporary repeaters... for events in Boston area," though.

Comcast also has a YG license (WPSZ620) on this frequency, but in Hampden County, which seems unlikely to be what you heard. One Federal Street has an analog conventional repeater in Boston, 15W ERP on that frequency, but from 160m height.
462.8375 R DPL Varies - one thought is a UHF link from one of the large TRS Radio Shops
This one really piques my interest. There are no active Part 90 licenses in MA, NH, or RI for this exact frequency, even though it's seemingly valid. I find a handful of things on 462.825 and 464.85, but none look promising. (WNVW235 was a communications company that had a 2kW (!) ERP license on 462.85 in Boston, >500' elevation ... but it expired in 2001.)
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#5 Post by ecps92 » 05 Mar 2019 07:35

Not enough to ID that Day, and was more on another mission, so I was just logging Freq/Tone and then hitting SEARCH again

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I love a good mystery. A few of these piqued my interested and I spent a bit seeing if I could find any leads in the FCC databases.
462.0375 R 250.3 - Been around for years, but never tracked down
Did you catch the nature of traffic? I see three Part 90 licenses in the state:
  • WQFQ933, Boston University. Licensed as one of 11 (!) analog FM 100W ERP repeaters at BU; 87.4m height
  • WQLI708, Marlboro Hudson Ambulance & Wheelchair Service Inc. One of 3 analog FM repeaters, 250W ERP, on Nobscot Hill.
  • WQZV860, Town of Longmeadow, but it's a YG license and it's not exactly close by.
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#6 Post by ecps92 » 05 Mar 2019 07:41

And I was running a basic BC898T, so no LTR Decode was available for this one

D&D / Dispatch / Metro does seem to have moved, not quite sure it is Boston due to the signal strengths
Boston [Original] is still much stronger then the Waltham sites - they may have combined them as Boston is EVEN LCN's and Waltham Freqs are still Odd LCN's

A couple of the Freqs seem to be re-allocated to.
One is now an Analog Conventional Repeater
Another [monitoring yesterday] is an LTR [might be a second vendor], but is another flavor [not up on them, but the one with Low Audio, Long Carrier hang time, and a beep/buzz at the end - more than EDACS even was]
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I love a good mystery. A few of these piqued my interested and I spent a bit seeing if I could find any leads in the FCC databases.

464.6375 R Analog LTR
Dispatch has an FB6 license under WQTY254 in Waltham on this frequency, though seemingly on the tower that no longer exists there, and it's not listed on the wiki as being part of the Waltham or Boston systems. That license does include mention of "temporary repeaters... for events in Boston area," though.

Comcast also has a YG license (WPSZ620) on this frequency, but in Hampden County, which seems unlikely to be what you heard. One Federal Street has an analog conventional repeater in Boston, 15W ERP on that frequency, but from 160m height.

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#7 Post by ecps92 » 05 Mar 2019 08:07

Might not be an "R" aka FB2, FB4 etc, but a Link ?
As sometimes we only hear ONE Side of the traffic

Just another one of those mysteries

Plenty of Expired and One MA License, for MO Only [Statewide]
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSea ... ey=3708560
n1zyy wrote:
04 Mar 2019 23:44
I love a good mystery. A few of these piqued my interested and I spent a bit seeing if I could find any leads in the FCC databases.

462.8375 R DPL Varies - one thought is a UHF link from one of the large TRS Radio Shops
This one really piques my interest. There are no active Part 90 licenses in MA, NH, or RI for this exact frequency, even though it's seemingly valid. I find a handful of things on 462.825 and 464.85, but none look promising. (WNVW235 was a communications company that had a 2kW (!) ERP license on 462.85 in Boston, >500' elevation ... but it expired in 2001.)
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#8 Post by n1zyy » 05 Mar 2019 10:26

ecps92 wrote:
05 Mar 2019 07:41
D&D / Dispatch / Metro does seem to have moved, not quite sure it is Boston due to the signal strengths
Boston [Original] is still much stronger then the Waltham sites - they may have combined them as Boston is EVEN LCN's and Waltham Freqs are still Odd LCN's
They had to knock power way down as they moved, due to T-band rules. See the "TBAND_STUDY" attachment on https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/Applic ... D=10422018# -- apparently you aren't allowed to move/expand coverage in any way, so the main channel went from 300W ERP to 20W ERP. It is indeed much weaker up this way.

I figured the course of action would be to temporarily get the repeaters running in Boston, then move everyone over to the higher-powered existing Boston repeaters there. But the Boston one still seems virtually dead.
Another [monitoring yesterday] is an LTR [might be a second vendor], but is another flavor [not up on them, but the one with Low Audio, Long Carrier hang time, and a beep/buzz at the end - more than EDACS even was]
That sounds suspiciously like MPT1327. One of the local comms companies runs one for The Ride if I recall correctly. (As an aside, the spec sheets for the new MOTOTRBO repeaters indicate that they can also do MPT1327 in analog mode. Seemed like a really odd inclusion, but it might be a bigger thing in other countries.)

I'll monitor 462.0375 w/ PL 250.3 a bit and see if I can figure out if it's BU, Framingham-area ambulance, or something else entirely.

I guess I didn't check the box to include statewide/mobile licenses in my search for 462.8375. The private I company's license for it only makes it more intriguing! :D
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#9 Post by ecps92 » 05 Mar 2019 10:49

Bingo, MPT is what I was thinking of, it was very active on a 484.xxxx this weekend, I was thinking a different vendor, but
that is interesting on a TRBO Repeater also supporting MPT
but then who are we to actually know as monitors :t not users or the vendor :)

n1zyy wrote:
05 Mar 2019 10:26
ecps92 wrote:
05 Mar 2019 07:41
D&D / Dispatch / Metro does seem to have moved, not quite sure it is Boston due to the signal strengths
Boston [Original] is still much stronger then the Waltham sites - they may have combined them as Boston is EVEN LCN's and Waltham Freqs are still Odd LCN's
They had to knock power way down as they moved, due to T-band rules. See the "TBAND_STUDY" attachment on https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/Applic ... D=10422018# -- apparently you aren't allowed to move/expand coverage in any way, so the main channel went from 300W ERP to 20W ERP. It is indeed much weaker up this way.

I figured the course of action would be to temporarily get the repeaters running in Boston, then move everyone over to the higher-powered existing Boston repeaters there. But the Boston one still seems virtually dead.
Another [monitoring yesterday] is an LTR [might be a second vendor], but is another flavor [not up on them, but the one with Low Audio, Long Carrier hang time, and a beep/buzz at the end - more than EDACS even was]
That sounds suspiciously like MPT1327. One of the local comms companies runs one for The Ride if I recall correctly. (As an aside, the spec sheets for the new MOTOTRBO repeaters indicate that they can also do MPT1327 in analog mode. Seemed like a really odd inclusion, but it might be a bigger thing in other countries.)

I'll monitor 462.0375 w/ PL 250.3 a bit and see if I can figure out if it's BU, Framingham-area ambulance, or something else entirely.

I guess I didn't check the box to include statewide/mobile licenses in my search for 462.8375. The private I company's license for it only makes it more intriguing! :D
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#10 Post by ecps92 » 10 Mar 2019 14:40

Couple of other new ones. Again analog Scanner [BC898T]

from a parking lot at 69ft above sea level in West Bridgewater

453.0375 DMR
462.1250 R 77.0/91.5 - sounded almost like a taxi/livery service using the two Tones [Disp/Cars]
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#11 Post by garys » 10 Mar 2019 18:10

453.0375 shows as a Cap+ repeater with a Color Code of 9. It is apparently LCN 1, with Channels 1/2 as rest. Signal is not strong enough to get audio or TG information. Might be a good frequency to chase around with my portable SDR/DSD rig when I have some time.

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Couple of other new ones. Again analog Scanner [BC898T]

from a parking lot at 69ft above sea level in West Bridgewater

453.0375 DMR
462.1250 R 77.0/91.5 - sounded almost like a taxi/livery service using the two Tones [Disp/Cars]
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#12 Post by W1KNE » 11 Mar 2019 13:59

ecps92 wrote:
10 Mar 2019 14:40

462.1250 R 77.0/91.5 - sounded almost like a taxi/livery service using the two Tones [Disp/Cars]
This is the one I've been chasing for close to two months in Fall River.
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#13 Post by pete » 14 Mar 2019 20:10

W1KNE wrote:
11 Mar 2019 13:59
ecps92 wrote:
10 Mar 2019 14:40

462.1250 R 77.0/91.5 - sounded almost like a taxi/livery service using the two Tones [Disp/Cars]
This is the one I've been chasing for close to two months in Fall River.
I believe this is Towne Taxi. Unlicensed as far as I can tell. Seems to be alot of that lately in this neck of the woods ! :eek:
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#14 Post by ecps92 » 15 Mar 2019 07:59

Close Call on the output or the input ??
Wondering if they are using a RI Rental [Garabedian/Garabian]
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ecps92 wrote:
10 Mar 2019 14:40

462.1250 R 77.0/91.5 - sounded almost like a taxi/livery service using the two Tones [Disp/Cars]
This is the one I've been chasing for close to two months in Fall River.
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#15 Post by W1KNE » 16 Mar 2019 20:58

pete wrote:
14 Mar 2019 20:10
I believe this is Towne Taxi. Unlicensed as far as I can tell. Seems to be alot of that lately in this neck of the woods ! :eek:
Bill, Remember our conversation two weeks ago, where I had reason to believe it's Town Taxi as well. Just needs a true confirmation.
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#16 Post by pete » 16 Mar 2019 23:05

It was confirmed by monitoring. I spent a couple hours listening to 462.125 on my Pro 2006, so no PL. Taxi driver had a confrontation with a fare who was unwilling to pay. He held the mic button while they screamed at each other, lots of F bombs and Both parties hurling racial insults. Driver then requested dispatch to send FRPD and gave the address he was in front of. About 5 minutes later FRPD (462.3625) dispatched a sector car to the address for a code 4-4 (fight) and possible larceny of a cab fare and to meet the complaintent, Town Taxi.
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#17 Post by franciedog » 23 Mar 2019 21:58

I have monitored 462.0375R and it's used by Community Ambulance in Marlboro. PL 179.9 is used for voice dispatch. PL 250.3 comes up with a carrier and a quick data burst. I think the data burst Is some sort of GPS monitoring system that tells the dispatcher the location of the ambulance.

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#18 Post by ecps92 » 24 Mar 2019 08:51

Interesting.. Odd [not out of the question] that data would use a PL Tone, figure they would want a quicker key-up for a data burst.

Any of our Radio Techs out here, care to comment ?
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I have monitored 462.0375R and it's used by Community Ambulance in Marlboro. PL 179.9 is used for voice dispatch. PL 250.3 comes up with a carrier and a quick data burst. I think the data burst Is some sort of GPS monitoring system that tells the dispatcher the location of the ambulance.
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#19 Post by garys » 24 Mar 2019 09:35

I'm inclined to agree. It might be a data burst of some kind, but I doubt that it's AVL data. AVL would more likely to be sent by cell phone or a continuous data stream.

BTW, I've been listening to the two other Community Ambulance (licensed as Marlboro Hudson Ambulance) frequencies and both have DMR users on them. I haven't been able to track either user down, but 464.5875 seems to be some sort of maintenance operation, while 464.7625 sounds like a shuttle service. Both are fairly strong north and west of Boston, but I've never heard them south of the city.
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Interesting.. Odd [not out of the question] that data would use a PL Tone, figure they would want a quicker key-up for a data burst.

Any of our Radio Techs out here, care to comment ?
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I have monitored 462.0375R and it's used by Community Ambulance in Marlboro. PL 179.9 is used for voice dispatch. PL 250.3 comes up with a carrier and a quick data burst. I think the data burst Is some sort of GPS monitoring system that tells the dispatcher the location of the ambulance.
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#20 Post by W1KNE » 25 Mar 2019 14:59

ecps92 wrote:
24 Mar 2019 08:51
Interesting.. Odd [not out of the question] that data would use a PL Tone, figure they would want a quicker key-up for a data burst.

Any of our Radio Techs out here, care to comment ?
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I have monitored 462.0375R and it's used by Community Ambulance in Marlboro. PL 179.9 is used for voice dispatch. PL 250.3 comes up with a carrier and a quick data burst. I think the data burst Is some sort of GPS monitoring system that tells the dispatcher the location of the ambulance.
Plymouth Mass uses AVL with a PL tone on their public works frequency.
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#21 Post by garys » 10 Apr 2019 16:53

Two "Help to ID" frequencies

463.700 DMR Color Code 9. I get intermittent decode of the signal, so I'm not 100% sure who is using it. The TG is 6600, although others display, but I think that's data error. Sounds like a maintenance operation. I'm guessing south of Boston, but that's about as specific as I can be.

464.5875 DMR Color Code 1. I heard this in Cambridge this afternoon with strong signal I think it's MIT facilities from the type of traffic heard, but need confirmation.
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#22 Post by W1KNE » 11 Apr 2019 17:11

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463.700 DMR Color Code 9. I get intermittent decode of the signal, so I'm not 100% sure who is using it. The TG is 6600, although others display, but I think that's data error. Sounds like a maintenance operation. I'm guessing south of Boston, but that's about as specific as I can be.
Did you check the WIKI? This is in there. It's the Amazon Fulfillment Center in Fall River. Part of a 16 channel radio system they use. You'll see 6500 on Slot 1 and 6600 on Slot 2. (Which is the same as all the other centers they run with respect to TG, Slot and Color Code). Their warehouse is on a nice hill, near the old airport, right on 24. Signal is a flame thrower.

http://scan-ne.net/wiki/index.php?title ... Fall_River
464.5875 DMR Color Code 1. I heard this in Cambridge this afternoon with strong signal I think it's MIT facilities from the type of traffic heard, but need confirmation.
This one hasn't been IDed yet.
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#23 Post by garys » 11 Apr 2019 19:26

Thanks! I did check the Wiki, but somehow missed it. I did see it in the NEFD database, but didn't think that I'd be able to receive it that well here.

I did notice that I copied mostly 6600 on Slot 2, but sometimes got 6500 on the same slot. That could just be due to the flaky reception.

That's one mystery solved. There's an Amazon distribution center in Stoughton. They have a bunch of frequencies as well. I wonder if they have a similar set up?
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463.700 DMR Color Code 9. I get intermittent decode of the signal, so I'm not 100% sure who is using it. The TG is 6600, although others display, but I think that's data error. Sounds like a maintenance operation. I'm guessing south of Boston, but that's about as specific as I can be.
Did you check the WIKI? This is in there. It's the Amazon Fulfillment Center in Fall River. Part of a 16 channel radio system they use. You'll see 6500 on Slot 1 and 6600 on Slot 2. (Which is the same as all the other centers they run with respect to TG, Slot and Color Code). Their warehouse is on a nice hill, near the old airport, right on 24. Signal is a flame thrower.

http://scan-ne.net/wiki/index.php?title ... Fall_River
464.5875 DMR Color Code 1. I heard this in Cambridge this afternoon with strong signal I think it's MIT facilities from the type of traffic heard, but need confirmation.
This one hasn't been IDed yet.
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#24 Post by W1KNE » 06 Jun 2019 15:38

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462.3000 R D371
462.3000 R D371 - Wentworth ? Talk of Boiler/Maint Ops
This is Siemens in Walpole, Plant and Facilities Maintenance. I was able to (finally) confirm it yesterday afternoon while near it.
Hearing mobile units on input full quieting on the other side of the highway from the place, and a reference to "building 6". Building 6 had a specific article about being a LEED certified boiler building at the location.
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