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159.96 D351 - Note DPL

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While just sitting running searches for a while this afternoon, this came up.

159.9600. D351. Both here and RR list AMR Abington as using this with 159.96 D311.

Haven't heard much activity on the frequency, other than someone mentioned about putting information in the "Zonar system". (Which Google lists as a fleet maintenance program).

Does AMR use Zonar for anything? (Does anyone know). Maybe a PL change for AMR.
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So I believe this is AMR with a new PL. The CWID ended with "801", which is the callsign for the repeater WPRJ801
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Re: 159.96 D351 - Note DPL

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Been Listening today and I'm getting 100% school bus related comms with a very strong repeater signal on 159.9600 with DPL 351

Units include "East Bridgewater Base", "West Bridgewater Base" and "Easton Base" with mentions of schools and streets in those towns.

I'm getting it very strong here in South Easton so I'm thinking it's on one of the towers in West Bridgewater.
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Just a WAG, but Comtronic is licensed 18mi away in Assonet for a TRS, maybe they went conventional ??
but then the 801 callsign throws a kink in it....

Keep in mind, the Abington tower does cover a good distance on VHF [Part 90 and FED] :)
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Been Listening today and I'm getting 100% school bus related comms with a very strong repeater signal on 159.9600 with DPL 351

Units include "East Bridgewater Base", "West Bridgewater Base" and "Easton Base" with mentions of schools and streets in those towns.

I'm getting it very strong here in South Easton so I'm thinking it's on one of the towers in West Bridgewater.
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JBP wrote:
04 Dec 2019 15:42
Been Listening today and I'm getting 100% school bus related comms with a very strong repeater signal on 159.9600 with DPL 351

Units include "East Bridgewater Base", "West Bridgewater Base" and "Easton Base" with mentions of schools and streets in those towns.

I'm getting it very strong here in South Easton so I'm thinking it's on one of the towers in West Bridgewater.
Are you sure it's not 159.9750MHz, callsign KSR296? That license is to SOUTHEASTERN REGIONAL VOCATIONAL TECHNIC
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AMR has a small operation in eastern MA, so it's probably not them. All dispatch is consolidated out of Springfield and Hartford, CT. AMR is still licensed for the frequency under WPRJ801, in Abington.

The Commtronic (now Bear Comm.) frequency is licensed for DMR, not analog.

Maybe AMR is allowing a school bus service to use the frequency. Lucini is the contractor for Easton, but they have their own VHF license on a different frequency. VHS Transportation out of Avon is the Easton schools special needs transportation contractor. Their UHF license is listed as expired by the FCC, but they might be on ICE, Commtronics, or some other commercial system.

I couldn't find any information on school buses or special needs transportation for either of the Bridgewaters.

It's a mystery for now.
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MrSvenSven wrote:
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Are you sure it's not 159.9750MHz, callsign KSR296? That license is to SOUTHEASTERN REGIONAL VOCATIONAL TECHNIC
This is a mobile only/repeater input, so probably not if the Jeff indicates he's hearing a repeater.
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This is a school van (special needs) operation. They are discussing picking up individual students at the middle and high schools. There is talk about Bridgewater schools and dispatch seemed to refer to themselves as "841."

Still haven't heard enough to be more specific as I got home after the peak time for school transportation.
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This is a school van (special needs) operation. They are discussing picking up individual students at the middle and high schools. There is talk about Bridgewater schools and dispatch seemed to refer to themselves as "841."

Still haven't heard enough to be more specific as I got home after the peak time for school transportation.
First Student in East Bridgewater is at 841 N Bedford st. I think we have a winner.
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It sounds like it, but as JBP notes, they are dispatching for three school systems. If I have the time, I'll try to listen during peak hours for school bus traffic.

It's still a mystery why they are using a non licensed frequency.

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garys wrote:
05 Dec 2019 15:10
This is a school van (special needs) operation. They are discussing picking up individual students at the middle and high schools. There is talk about Bridgewater schools and dispatch seemed to refer to themselves as "841."

Still haven't heard enough to be more specific as I got home after the peak time for school transportation.
First Student in East Bridgewater is at 841 N Bedford st. I think we have a winner.
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AMR has a repeater in Abington https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSea ... ey=1831736
Bearcomm in Quincy has that frequency listed as part of a bigger system https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSea ... ey=3279242

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garys wrote:
05 Dec 2019 17:57
It sounds like it, but as JBP notes, they are dispatching for three school systems. If I have the time, I'll try to listen during peak hours for school bus traffic.

It's still a mystery why they are using a non licensed frequency.
I don't understand what you're saying. "First Student" is a School Bus contractor. They probably serve several towns, and have separate dispatching for each town's school services.

As to the use of an unlicensed frequency, it's not the first time we've seen that, with any company. GATRA, Blount Fine Foods, etc were two companies using unlicensed frequencies.

Either finding the repeater input or getting close call may help.
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So I was able to fully catch the CWID on 159.96, after hearing the transmission key up. It is WPRJ804. I had my 1 and 4 backwards.
And WPRJ804 is licensed to First Student, but not on that frequency, but rather on 461.2750. However 461.2750 has been silent whenever 159.96 comes up.
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I don't know that they have separate dispatch for each school system or are using a combined dispatch. Some of the special needs vans I've heard, such as Van Pool, use different frequencies, but dispatchers are on more than one frequency. Others use a single frequency (or talk group) with multiple "bases" for different towns.

I was listening to see if I could figure out what First Student was doing.

Per your other post, it's still odd that they are using that frequency with the call sign of their other frequency.
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I don't understand what you're saying. "First Student" is a School Bus contractor. They probably serve several towns, and have separate dispatching for each town's school services.

As to the use of an unlicensed frequency, it's not the first time we've seen that, with any company. GATRA, Blount Fine Foods, etc were two companies using unlicensed frequencies.

Either finding the repeater input or getting close call may help.
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I am putting it in the wiki, and we can always update as needed.
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I did a little more research using the Geosearch feature at the FCC website. They have a number of operations in MA and 23 active licenses with control points in MA.

I didn't find one for 159.96, but did find one for 159.795 Simplex in Easton. I think the address is for Oliver Ames High School.


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159.960 repeater D-351
Today was the 1st time I listened all day, full time. I heard 3 separate bus yards (i.e. control stations). There is 1) East Bridgewater school buses, 2) West Bridgewater school buses & 3) Easton school buses, each with their own dispatcher. Maybe they all share the same bus yard, but maybe not. So 3 separate town school buses share this one VHF repeater. The signal is 5 of 5, full scale to me.

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Lucini Bus Lines has the regular school bus transportation contracts for East Bridgewater, West Bridgewater & Easton Public Schools from what I could find searching on line. I've seen their buses in the past at some multi school athletic events, can't recall what they had for antennas on the buses.
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I think it might be First Student, but maybe Lucini. If I have time tomorrow, I'll try to get through Easton in the afternoon and see which school buses impede my progress.
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Lucini Bus Lines has the regular school bus transportation contracts for East Bridgewater, West Bridgewater & Easton Public Schools from what I could find searching on line. I've seen their buses in the past at some multi school athletic events, can't recall what they had for antennas on the buses.
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I should know better than to doubt a member named MASSBUSMARK. :)

On my drive through Easton this afternoon, I noticed that most of the full sized buses were marked "Easton Public Schools." I saw one that was marked Lucini, which might be a spare used if a regular bus is out of order. The special needs vans are all marked "Lucini Bus Lines."

Which still doesn't explain the frequency use as their is only one license for Lucini.
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garys wrote:
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I should know better than to doubt a member named MASSBUSMARK. :)

On my drive through Easton this afternoon, I noticed that most of the full sized buses were marked "Easton Public Schools." I saw one that was marked Lucini, which might be a spare used if a regular bus is out of order. The special needs vans are all marked "Lucini Bus Lines."

Which still doesn't explain the frequency use as their is only one license for Lucini.
And here's another theory that puts a nail in First Student's coffin. I drove by the East Bridgewater address mentioned above, and it's a construction company. No school buses anywhere. Also the repeater location is somewhat dubious. It's clearly stronger in West Bridgewater, but it's not on the ICE tower there. It still may be Foxboro, and I may check on that tomorrow, depending on road conditions in the morning.
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There is a fairly tall tower on West Street at the JP Noonan yard. It has their low band base there, but there are other antennas up there was well. It's maybe a mile from the ICE tower. I've been meaning to sit near there with my portable SDR set up to see what else might be there.

The signal is pretty strong here in Stoughton, but I'm using an outside antenna.
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garys wrote:
16 Dec 2019 15:08
I should know better than to doubt a member named MASSBUSMARK. :)

On my drive through Easton this afternoon, I noticed that most of the full sized buses were marked "Easton Public Schools." I saw one that was marked Lucini, which might be a spare used if a regular bus is out of order. The special needs vans are all marked "Lucini Bus Lines."

Which still doesn't explain the frequency use as their is only one license for Lucini.
And here's another theory that puts a nail in First Student's coffin. I drove by the East Bridgewater address mentioned above, and it's a construction company. No school buses anywhere. Also the repeater location is somewhat dubious. It's clearly stronger in West Bridgewater, but it's not on the ICE tower there. It still may be Foxboro, and I may check on that tomorrow, depending on road conditions in the morning.
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There is a fairly tall tower on West Street at the JP Noonan yard. It has their low band base there, but there are other antennas up there was well. It's maybe a mile from the ICE tower. I've been meaning to sit near there with my portable SDR set up to see what else might be there.

The signal is pretty strong here in Stoughton, but I'm using an outside antenna.
That is the old WWDP 46 tower. Ironically it's not very strong in East Bridgewater, which makes me think it's farther west or north than that site.
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