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Unknown transmission on 44.200

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I have searched and can't find any information about what this freq might be used for. From about 4:45pm today (Nov 27) I heard very brief transmissions on 44.200. Each transmission was full scale and a male voice said "F1 check 1,2,3,4,5, 4,3,2,1" Then another voice said "Check 1, 2"
I have so far heard about 3 more similar transmissions. Right now radio is paused on that freq in case I hear more. Radio is BCD996P2 antenna is a discone. I have been searching between some lowband freqs cause I can sometimes hear fire departments over in Windham County in CT. So today this mystery transmission appears. I live about a mile (as crow flies) from a National Guard installation that has both a building with "National Guard" on front and a building to the north that says "National Guard Joint Force Headquarters Emergency management Agency" and some antennas are visible from the road when I drive by there. Just guessing transmission might be coming from there.

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Did you obtain a PL tone? That is helpful to ID the station. Also, given that it is low band it could very well have been skip.
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No PL tone showed during transmission. Radio is set to display tones. I will keep an ear on it.

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I've had about 12 hits on 44.2000. Tone was CT 103.5 each time. I've actually only heard one transmission and it was today. Heard male voice say "10 23". Signal was full scale hear also. I originally found this frequency in my search log files. Scanner runs quite often when I'm not here.

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44.2000 is a Business Frequency and the only licensee left in New England is up in NH, all others in MA, VT or CT are long expired

VHF Low does open from time-time, so it most likely was Skip
riskan20 wrote:
27 Nov 2020 17:18
I have searched and can't find any information about what this freq might be used for. From about 4:45pm today (Nov 27) I heard very brief transmissions on 44.200. Each transmission was full scale and a male voice said "F1 check 1,2,3,4,5, 4,3,2,1" Then another voice said "Check 1, 2"
I have so far heard about 3 more similar transmissions. Right now radio is paused on that freq in case I hear more. Radio is BCD996P2 antenna is a discone. I have been searching between some lowband freqs cause I can sometimes hear fire departments over in Windham County in CT. So today this mystery transmission appears. I live about a mile (as crow flies) from a National Guard installation that has both a building with "National Guard" on front and a building to the north that says "National Guard Joint Force Headquarters Emergency management Agency" and some antennas are visible from the road when I drive by there. Just guessing transmission might be coming from there.
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Latest Transmission i heard today "10 23 HVS Cranston".

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xhe1n wrote:
28 Nov 2020 18:46
Latest Transmission i heard today "10 23 HVS Cranston".
Hmmmmm I live in Cranston RI and the signal was full scale here when I heard it. I have radio searching again. This time I will see if there is a tone.

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This may be a long shot but 46.200 is a frequency used by Nassua Cnty NY fire for battalion ops, so this may just be skip from that area
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IggyWFD wrote:
30 Nov 2020 09:52
This may be a long shot but 46.200 is a frequency used by Nassua Cnty NY fire for battalion ops, so this may just be skip from that area
I'll assume you meant 44.2000 and not 46.2000. Not totally ruling out skip but the fact that I heard the word "Cranston" leads me to believe it was not skip. Maybe we'll never know who this user is but it's fun to try and figure it out.

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I was going to suggest and image, but then recall the OP is running SDR, and could be off on the Frequency.
103.5 is/was a common tone for some of the utilities in low Band, but 44.2000 was never one of them.

xhe1n wrote:
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Latest Transmission i heard today "10 23 HVS Cranston".
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ecps92 wrote:
01 Dec 2020 08:30
I was going to suggest and image, but then recall the OP is running SDR, and could be off on the Frequency.
103.5 is/was a common tone for some of the utilities in low Band, but 44.2000 was never one of them.
You've also had more than one person log this too. I am leaning towards this being someone got some old radio surplus (ham flea?) and are using them for something down there.
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Something I learned tonight is that there is a Cranston, KY, a Cranston, IA and a Cranston, RI. I had no idea there are other cities in the US named Cranston. So, it is
quite possible that what has been heard on 44.2000 may have actually been skip. This is not to say it absolutey was skip. In the past 2 days, I have not heard anything on
44.2000. So the actual user of 44.2000 is still certainly an unknown.

BTW, A 10-23 code means "Arrived at Scene"
So from what I heard "10-23 HVS Cranston" mean someone arrived at HVS in cranston, in whatever state.

HVS meaning is an unknown to me at this point.
Happy searching and use the search function of your scanner.

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Only two users in the USA per the FCC and the nearest is a New Hampshire license as a Repeater
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSea ... ey=2455161
xhe1n wrote:
01 Dec 2020 22:45
Something I learned tonight is that there is a Cranston, KY, a Cranston, IA and a Cranston, RI. I had no idea there are other cities in the US named Cranston. So, it is
quite possible that what has been heard on 44.2000 may have actually been skip. This is not to say it absolutey was skip. In the past 2 days, I have not heard anything on
44.2000. So the actual user of 44.2000 is still certainly an unknown.

BTW, A 10-23 code means "Arrived at Scene"
So from what I heard "10-23 HVS Cranston" mean someone arrived at HVS in cranston, in whatever state.

HVS meaning is an unknown to me at this point.
Happy searching and use the search function of your scanner.
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HVS is a national Hotel/Property management company. They have a corporate office in Tiverton. They may have a property that they are managing in Cranston and this may have been one of their vendors making a stop at that property. Google is a wonderful thing and allows us to learn a lot by a few key strokes.
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IggyWFD wrote:
02 Dec 2020 08:20
Google is a wonderful thing and allows us to learn a lot by a few key strokes.
Keep this thread on track. This comment has nothing to do with the thread at hand, and was unnecessary.

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Sorry, I must apologize for my previous comment., it truly was uncalled for.
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ecps92 wrote:
01 Dec 2020 08:30
I was going to suggest and image, but then recall the OP is running SDR, and could be off on the Frequency.
103.5 is/was a common tone for some of the utilities in low Band, but 44.2000 was never one of them.
Radio is BCD996P2, not an SDR.

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Thanks for that update, knowing that and historically how the the Bearcat/Uniden/GRE/RS Scanners do also handle "images"
this could also have been something from another [VHF or UHF] band, just based on the FCC data at hand
riskan20 wrote:
03 Dec 2020 08:32
Radio is BCD996P2, not an SDR.
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I added 44.20 103.5 to an unattended scanner of mine. I recorded 5 hits over the last two weeks. It's the same voice in all 5 recordings. Transmissions are short and use multiple 10-codes, similar to the "10-23 HVS Cranston" mentioned earlier. Certainly not a two-way conversation. I almost wonder if someone has both a low band radio and another one and is accidentally picking up the low band microphone for these few transmissions.
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MrSvenSven wrote:
10 Dec 2020 10:07
I added 44.20 103.5 to an unattended scanner of mine. I recorded 5 hits over the last two weeks. It's the same voice in all 5 recordings. Transmissions are short and use multiple 10-codes, similar to the "10-23 HVS Cranston" mentioned earlier. Certainly not a two-way conversation. I almost wonder if someone has both a low band radio and another one and is accidentally picking up the low band microphone for these few transmissions.
The last hit I have had was on 11/29/2020. Nothing since then. The few transmissions I did hear were one sided, Not a two way conversation.just as MrSvenSven mentioned.
So maybe the users watch this website and now the users refrain from using 44.2000 to stay hidden or it was skip, who knows at this point.

MrSvenSven, thanks for adding in to the conversation on this one. I still have it programmed in to the scanner. Maybe we'll figure it out someday.

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I never heard it again myself.

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New transmissions on 44.200 12/12/2020. Traveling on 295 and noting a disabled vehicle, stated the RI license plate number and the disabled vehicle was waiting for AAA. "Contact AAA." Number of minutes later stated "I'm 10-67 in Johnston. F1 code 8."

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I just listened to another weeks worth of recordings. As mentioned in the previous post, the radio user stopped to check on a DMV on 295 in Johnston and had an actual two way conversation with a dispatcher. He also had the dispatcher give him an incident number. Another day the same user gave out a plate and stated that he was behind an erratic operator on I-95, but it was just the one transmission and nobody responded to him. Other locations heard are "HVS Warwick", "HVS Riverside", as well as a couple town names.

It's not active enough to be a tow company or the CVS help vans. Given the extensive use of 10 codes and the use of the term "erratic operation" (which I don't expect the general public to know), I'm guessing this is some kind of citizen patrol group or REACT sort of thing.

Many transmissions are preceded by an alert tone (with no PL), and everything is the same strength, so I think this is a repeater or some kind of cross band link.
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ScanBoston wrote:
01 Dec 2020 09:30
Maybe it's these folks? https://www.uspreparatory.com/peg-getting-started/
This is it!

The first few seconds of this video contains some sample radio traffic, and the terminology and call sign is exactly the same. Also their website sells 42-50MHz capable radios.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDtxnHH ... _rel_pause
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