Mystery DMR system on Maine/NB border

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Mystery DMR system on Maine/NB border

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Just asking in case someone knows -

I'm in Caswell, Maine. The city of Grand Falls, NB is within a mile and a half of where I live.

Since I finally managed to get a real antenna system up I've been profiling what's to be heard and trying to untangle the digital systems as well as the FM voice systems.

There's a two channel system somewhere in the area that's puzzling me. It's 151.7450 and 151.8650 in parallel, both come up and go down simultaneously, DSD reports it's DMR and nothing seems to be sent over the regular bursts except for a small amount of data of some kind in Slot 1.

All the usual sources draw a blank. The 8650 frequency does have a FCC listing in Fort Kent but nothing for the second channel. And it seems a little too strong for Fort Kent at 60+ miles.

Any suggestions?

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Yes, not much in the FCC, but I've not checked IC

IF you are using DSD, what Color is being sent, and if you get Slot 1, what is it reporting for a TG, or other info
KD1SQ wrote:
07 Jan 2022 14:39
Just asking in case someone knows -

I'm in Caswell, Maine. The city of Grand Falls, NB is within a mile and a half of where I live.

Since I finally managed to get a real antenna system up I've been profiling what's to be heard and trying to untangle the digital systems as well as the FM voice systems.

There's a two channel system somewhere in the area that's puzzling me. It's 151.7450 and 151.8650 in parallel, both come up and go down simultaneously, DSD reports it's DMR and nothing seems to be sent over the regular bursts except for a small amount of data of some kind in Slot 1.

All the usual sources draw a blank. The 8650 frequency does have a FCC listing in Fort Kent but nothing for the second channel. And it seems a little too strong for Fort Kent at 60+ miles.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Mystery DMR system on Maine/NB border

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A little voice traffic at last....
Slot 1
DCC=1

Still not enough to get a feel for what it is.I'm betting it's probably JD Irving...
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Re: Mystery DMR system on Maine/NB border

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Nothing in TAFL near by for 151.8650 [if that is even a valid CA channel]

151.7450 was too far away for NB, so I tried PEI and NS
Best luck was NS, but still doesn't narrow anything down

[ TAFL Search Results ]
Tx/Rx Frequency Location Licensee Details
TX 151.7450 EAST KEMPTVILLE NS MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0000161929
RX 151.7450 EAST KEMPTVILLE NS MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0000161934
RX 151.7450 HECTANOOGA, NS - FIRE DEPT. MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0000161932
RX 151.7450 CARLETON N.S. WHY 340 Carleton and District Vol Fire Dept 0000162298
TX 151.7450 CARLETON N.S. WHY 340 Carleton and District Vol Fire Dept 0000162299
TX 151.7450 LUNDY NS NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000357845
RX 151.7450 DRUMHEAD NS RR#1 GOLDBORO NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000357848
RX 151.7450 LUNDY NS NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000357850
RX 151.7450 HANTSPORT NS (FIRE) TOWN OF HANTSPORT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000358748
TX 151.7450 HANTSPORT NS (FIRE) TOWN OF HANTSPORT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000358761
TX 151.7450 EAST KEMPTVILLE NS VALLEY & DISTRICT VOL. FIRE DEPT. 0000459943
RX 151.7450 DEERFIELD, NS - FIRE HALL VALLEY & DISTRICT VOL. FIRE DEPT. 0000459946
RX 151.7450 EAST KEMPTVILLE NS VALLEY & DISTRICT VOL. FIRE DEPT. 0000459948
RX 151.7450 QUINAN NS FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000460844
TX 151.7450 QUINAN NS FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000460847
RX 151.7450 WINDSOR N.S. 100 KING ST. FIRE TOWN OF WINDSOR FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000561268
TX 151.7450 WINDSOR N.S. 100 KING ST. FIRE TOWN OF WINDSOR FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000561281
TX 151.7450 EAST KEMPTVILLE NS NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000561299
RX 151.7450 YARMOUTH, NS - 221 PLEASANT ST NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000561302
RX 151.7450 DEERFIELD, NS - FIRE HALL NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000561304
RX 151.7450 HECTANOOGA, NS - FIRE DEPT. NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000561306
RX 151.7450 EAST KEMPTVILLE NS NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000561308
RX 151.7450 SUMMERVILLE N.S. FIRE HALL SUMMERVILLE & DISTRICT VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000561586
TX 151.7450 SUMMERVILLE N.S. FIRE HALL SUMMERVILLE & DISTRICT VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000561593
TX 151.7450 WILLOW HILL NS NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000657903
RX 151.7450 WILLOW HILL NS NS Dept. of Internal Services Public Safety & Field Comm. Office 0000657908
RX 151.7450 LAKE GEORGE N.S. FIRE DEPT. LAKES & DISTRICT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000658188
TX 151.7450 LAKE GEORGE N.S. FIRE DEPT. LAKES & DISTRICT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000658189
RX 151.7450 LAKE VAUGHN FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000658694
TX 151.7450 LAKE VAUGHN FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000658701
RX 151.7450 LOWER WEDGEPORT NS (FIRE DEPT) MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000658721
TX 151.7450 LOWER WEDGEPORT NS (FIRE DEPT) MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000658724
RX 151.7450 GUYSBOROUGH,NS GUYSBOROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000698300
TX 151.7450 GUYSBOROUGH,NS GUYSBOROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000698301
RX 151.7450 GUYSBOROUGH,NS GUYSBOROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000698302
TX 151.7450 GUYSBOROUGH,NS GUYSBOROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000698305
TX 151.7450 GUYSBOROUGH,NS GUYSBOROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000698307
RX 151.7450 GUYSBOROUGH,NS GUYSBOROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000698308
TX 151.7450 LUNDY NS Harbourview Vol. Fire Dept.. 0000755097
RX 151.7450 DRUMHEAD NS RR#1 GOLDBORO Harbourview Vol. Fire Dept.. 0000755100
RX 151.7450 LUNDY NS Harbourview Vol. Fire Dept.. 0000755102
RX 151.7450 TUSKET, NS - MUNICIPAL OFFICE (EMO) MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000755888
TX 151.7450 TUSKET, NS - MUNICIPAL OFFICE (EMO) MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000755897
RX 151.7450 HAVELOCK, NS - FIRE DEPT. MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0000755904
TX 151.7450 HAVELOCK, NS - FIRE DEPT. MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0000755907
RX 151.7450 EAST PUBNICO ,N.S., FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000755920
TX 151.7450 EAST PUBNICO ,N.S., FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000755925
RX 151.7450 AMIRAULTS HILL N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000755944
TX 151.7450 AMIRAULTS HILL N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000755947
RX 151.7450 SALMON RIVER NS FIRE DEPT MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0000855176
TX 151.7450 SALMON RIVER NS FIRE DEPT MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0000855181
RX 151.7450 EAST PUBNICO, NB - FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000855194
TX 151.7450 EAST PUBNICO, NB - FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000855203
RX 151.7450 EEL BROOK FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000855210
TX 151.7450 EEL BROOK FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000855213
RX 151.7450 ISLANDS & DISTRICT FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000855220
TX 151.7450 ISLANDS & DISTRICT FIRE HALL MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000855225
RX 151.7450 WEST PUBNICO FIRE HALL NS MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000855252
TX 151.7450 WEST PUBNICO FIRE HALL NS MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000855255
RX 151.7450 BOYLSTON, NS MANCHESTER BOYLSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000896351
TX 151.7450 BOYLSTON, NS MANCHESTER BOYLSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000896354
RX 151.7450 BOYLSTON, NS MANCHESTER BOYLSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000896355
TX 151.7450 BOYLSTON, NS MANCHESTER BOYLSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000896358
TX 151.7450 BOYLSTON, NS MANCHESTER BOYLSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000896360
RX 151.7450 BOYLSTON, NS MANCHESTER BOYLSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000896361
RX 151.7450 LAKE GEORGE AREA N.S. FIRE DEPT LAKES & DISTRICT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0000952011
RX 151.7450 EAST PUBNICO, NS - FIRE MOBILES MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000952735
RX 151.7450 LAKE VAUGHAN, N. S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000952743
RX 151.7450 LITTLE RIVER, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000952747
RX 151.7450 QUINAN, N. S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000952759
RX 151.7450 QUINAN, N. S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000952769
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000952779
RX 151.7450 AMIRAULTS HILL, N.S, MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0000974301
RX 151.7450 CARLTON YARMOUTH CO. N.S. Carleton and District Vol Fire Dept 0001002840
RX 151.7450 HANTSPORT, NOVA SCOTIA TOWN OF HANTSPORT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0001002913
RX 151.7450 METEGHAN, NS - MOBILES MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001003747
RX 151.7450 KEMPTVILLE, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001003821
RX 151.7450 LAKE VAUGHAN, N. S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001003833
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001003879
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001003891
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001003897
RX 151.7450 WEST PUBNICO AND AREA MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001003903
RX 151.7450 AMIRAULTS HILL, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001003915
RX 151.7450 AMIRAULTS HILL, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001003925
RX 151.7450 ISLANDS & DISTRICT , YARMOUTH CO. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001024109
RX 151.7450 LITTLE RIVER, N.S, MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001024119
RX 151.7450 CANSO AREA N.S. FIRE DEPT. CANSO/HAZEL HILL VOL. FIRE DEPT. 0001053740
RX 151.7450 WOLFVILLE AREA N.S. (FIRE) TOWN OF WOLFVILLE 0001054354
RX 151.7450 WOLFVILLE,N.S. TOWN OF WOLFVILLE 0001076613
RX 151.7450 ISLANDS & DISTRICT , YARMOUTH CO. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001077123
RX 151.7450 METEGHAN, NS - PORTABLES MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001077221
RX 151.7450 DIGBY, NS - FIRE MOBILES TOWN OF DIGBY 0001107823
RX 151.7450 DEERFIELD, NS - PORTABLES VALLEY & DISTRICT VOL. FIRE DEPT. 0001108037
RX 151.7450 HANTSPORT, NOVA SCOTIA TOWN OF HANTSPORT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0001108184
RX 151.7450 SALMON RIVER,N.S., FIRE DEPT. MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001108715
RX 151.7450 SALMON RIVER NS FIRE DEPT MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001108721
RX 151.7450 EEL BROOK, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001108774
RX 151.7450 LAKE VAUGHAN, N. S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001108784
RX 151.7450 WEST PUBNICO N.S. FIRE DEPT MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001108806
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001108804
RX 151.7450 WEST PUBNICO N.S. FIRE DEPT MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001108816
RX 151.7450 EEL BROOK, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001129696
RX 151.7450 KEMPTVILLE, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001129704
RX 151.7450 LITTLE BROOK, NS - PORTABLES MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001129850
RX 151.7450 CANSO N.S. (FIRE DEPT.) CANSO/HAZEL HILL VOL. FIRE DEPT. 0001160565
RX 151.7450 YARMOUTH, NS - MOBILES TOWN OF YARMOUTH 0001160702
RX 151.7450 CARLTON YARMOUTH CO. N.S. Carleton and District Vol Fire Dept 0001161113
RX 151.7450 DEERFIELD, NS - MOBILES VALLEY & DISTRICT VOL. FIRE DEPT. 0001161123
RX 151.7450 SUMMERVILLE, NS MOBILES SUMMERVILLE & DISTRICT VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT 0001161212
RX 151.7450 PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA NS FIREFIGHTERS SCHOOL 0001161902
RX 151.7450 EAST PUBNICO, NS - PORTABLES MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001161948
RX 151.7450 EEL BROOK, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001161960
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001161984
RX 151.7450 LITTLE RIVER, N.S, MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001181987
RX 151.7450 PROVINCE WIDE, NS NS Dept. of Transportation & Infrastructure Renewal 0001195311
RX 151.7450 LAKE GEORGE AREA NS FIRE DEPT LAKES & DISTRICT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0001212902
RX 151.7450 SALMON RIVER N.S. (FIRE DEPT.) MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001213550
RX 151.7450 SALMON RIVER,N.S., FIRE DEPT. MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001213556
RX 151.7450 SALMON RIVER NS FIRE DEPT MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001213560
RX 151.7450 EEL BROOK, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001213616
RX 151.7450 EEL BROOK, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001213624
RX 151.7450 ISLAND & DISTRICT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001213630
RX 151.7450 AMIRAULTS HILL, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001213650
RX 151.7450 HECTANOOGA, NS - PORTABLE MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001235384
RX 151.7450 METEGHAN RIVER, NS - MOBILES MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001235390
RX 151.7450 HECTANOOGA, NS - MOBILES MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001266483
RX 151.7450 EEL BROOK, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001267182
RX 151.7450 ISLAND & DISTRICT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001267186
RX 151.7450 ISLAND & DISTRICT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001267200
RX 151.7450 LAKE VAUGHAN, N. S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001267208
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001267218
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001267224
RX 151.7450 WEDGEPORT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001267232
RX 151.7450 AMIRAULTS HILL, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001267248
RX 151.7450 SUMMERVILLE, NS PORTABLES SUMMERVILLE & DISTRICT VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT 0001303649
RX 151.7450 LAKE GEORGE NS FIRE DEPT LAKES & DISTRICT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0001317557
RX 151.7450 LAKE GEORGE AREA NS FIRE DEPT LAKES & DISTRICT FIRE DEPARTMENT 0001317563
RX 151.7450 EAST KEMPTVILLE N.S. FIRE DEPT. KEMPTVILLE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT 0001317569
RX 151.7450 GOLDBORO AREA N.S. Harbourview Vol. Fire Dept.. 0001317619
RX 151.7450 HARBOURVIEW N.S. Harbourview Vol. Fire Dept.. 0001317623
RX 151.7450 LITTLE BROOK. NS - MOBILES MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001318350
RX 151.7450 ISLAND & DISTRICT, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001318422
RX 151.7450 KEMPTVILLE, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001318430
RX 151.7450 LAKE VAUGHAN, N. S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001318438
RX 151.7450 LAKE VAUGHAN, N. S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001318440
RX 151.7450 LITTLE RIVER, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001318452
RX 151.7450 WEST PUBNICO N.S. (FIRE DEPT. ) MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001318472
RX 151.7450 YARMOUTH, NS - PORTABLES TOWN OF YARMOUTH 0001337660
RX 151.7450 QUINAN, N.S. MUNICIPALITY OF ARGYLE 0001339232
RX 151.7450 METEGHAN RIVER, NS - PORTABLES MUNICIPALITY OF CLARE 0001339490
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Re: Mystery DMR system on Maine/NB border

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Got it figured. After much hair tearing I got the latest DSD+ Fastlane version up and running in passive mode.

I was wrong about it not being Fort Kent - the lower frequency is SAD #27 school buses (derived from DMR ID, GPS data and Google Maps making it easy to figure who and where) - the higher frequency does not carry the same traffic but keys and unkeys in sync still.

That one will have to be watched for a while.

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Roger on Fort Kent SAD - sometimes it takes just sitting on it for weeks

make sure once you get some TG's to submit it
KD1SQ wrote:
11 Jan 2022 16:35
Got it figured. After much hair tearing I got the latest DSD+ Fastlane version up and running in passive mode.

I was wrong about it not being Fort Kent - the lower frequency is SAD #27 school buses (derived from DMR ID, GPS data and Google Maps making it easy to figure who and where) - the higher frequency does not carry the same traffic but keys and unkeys in sync still.

That one will have to be watched for a while.
Bill Dunn N1KUG
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"The tougher it is to find a frequency, the more it makes me want to work to find it. - I've learned to use the SEARCH Button"

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