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VT statewide NXDN48 system

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I was up in Franklin County, VT earlier this week and got in enough radio time to track down the following statewide NXDN48 system. I didn't have enough time, unfortunately, to track down TGs after I mapped out the channels/frequencies. Just enough to discover that the vast majority of the traffic was encrypted.

The system belongs to FleetWave Partners out of Williston, FRN: 0021239736

Only two out of the eight sites could be heard from Saint Albans Bay. The others didn't show even the slightest signal in SDR#.
Site L111-01 was clearly out of Saint Albans. I believe Site L111-15 was coming in from Clinton County, NY, across Lake Champlain, though the licenses indicate that the transmitters might also be located in Burlington, VT. The LCN, RAN, and NL data come from DSD+. Locations come from the FCC database. Hat tip to Eric WB1HBU for his UHF LCN-to-frequency mapping posts on RR, without which it would have been impossible to sort this stuff out.

The licensing for this system is as convoluted as ICE and Comtronics is down here, with a different license for almost every frequency, but most licenses also covering several apparently unrelated frequencies.

I hope the formatting below is readable once the forum software has its way with it.

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System-Site:         LCN:              Frequency:      RAN, Neighbors, License, Location(s) & Comments:

L111-01                 771 (cc)          464.625        RAN:1 
                                                                     NL: 2 3 5 6 8 11 15     
                                                                     WPTJ887 SAINT ALBANS HILL, SAINT ALBANS, VT FRANKLIN County     
                       192                 452.3875      WPTJ887  SAINT ALBANS HILL, SAINT ALBANS, VT FRANKLIN County 
                       495                 461.175        WPTS900  Summit Lake Mountain Drive, Saint Albans, VT FRANKLIN County
                       699                 463.725        WPTZ466 SUMMIT OF MOUNT MOUNSFIELD, STOWE, VT LAMOILLE County
                                                                    Summit of St Albans Hill, St Albans, VT FRANKLIN County 
                                                                    Summit of Jay Peak, Jay Peak, VT ORLEANS County  
                                                                    Summit of Burke Mtn, East Burke, VT CALEDONIA County   
                                                                    ON IRISH HILL IN BERLIN, BARRE, VT WASHINGTON County 
            
                              

L111-02                 803  (cc)           ???.????        W????????    Since the LCN is higher than 801, I have no idea what the 
                                                                        frequency here should be. Could not figure
                                                                        it out from the FCC DB. TBD.

L111-03                 735 (cc)        464.175         WPTZ466  Not receivable in Saint Albans.
                                                                         SUMMIT OF MOUNT MOUNSFIELD, STOWE, VT LAMOILLE County
                                                                         Summit of St Albans Hill, St Albans, VT FRANKLIN County 
                                                                         Summit of Jay Peak, Jay Peak, VT ORLEANS County  
                                                                         Summit of Burke Mtn, East Burke, VT CALEDONIA County   
                                                                         ON IRISH HILL IN BERLIN, BARRE, VT WASHINGTON County

L111-05                 512 (cc)        461.3875        WPVX789    Not receivable in Saint Albans.
                                                                          111 Colchester Ave, Burlington, VT CHITTENDEN County 
                                                                           SUMMIT OF RAND HILL,  BEEKMANTOWN, NY CLINTON County 
                                  
L111-06                  705 (cc)       463.8             WNNI364  Not receivable in Saint Albans.
                                                                            HOGBACK MOUNTAIN .36 MI W BRISTOL MONKTON RD, MONKTON, VT ADDISON County

L111-08                  662  (cc)      463.2625       WQIK502    Not receivable in Saint Albans.
                                                                           SUMMIT OF LINCOLN PEAK, WARREN, VT WASHINGTON County
                                                                           Summit Chipman Hill, Middlebury, VT ADDISON County 

L111-11                   240  (cc)     452.9875        WQHH490   Not receivable in Saint Albans.  
                                                                            HERRICK MTN N OF SUMMIT, IRA, VT RUTLAND County 

L111-15                   167 (cc)      452.075           RAN:15 
                                                                      NL: 1 2 3 5 6
                                                                      WPVX789 111 Colchester Ave, Burlington, VT CHITTENDEN County 
                                             	                        SUMMIT OF RAND HILL, BEEKMANTOWN, NY CLINTON County  
                          360            454.4875         WQMX693  summit Pico Peak, Sherburne, VT RUTLAND County
 	                                                                  SUMMIT OF RAND HILL, BEEKMANTOWN, NY CLINTON County 
                          681            463.5              WPQJ935  635 Brookfield Road (Irish Hill) (VT13928-A), BERLIN, VT WASHINGTON County 
                                                                          221 Territory Rd., Topsham, VT ORANGE County 
                          794            464.9125        WPVX789  111 Colchester Ave, Burlington, VT CHITTENDEN County 
                                                                       SUMMIT OF RAND HILL,  BEEKMANTOWN, NY CLINTON County
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I would guess that the 803 one may be a 6.25KHz channel. That company is licensed on several at different locations
463.91875 Monkton WNRC544
462.94375 Jay WPSF520
463.29375 Jay WPSF520
463.94375 St Albans WPTJ887
464.86875 St Albans WPTJ887

These channels are often skipped in a search because the search default is for 12.5 KHz spacing. A close by system may show one of the adjacent channels.

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Awesome, Chris. Thanks for that tidbit. I just assumed that it meant it would be north of 470 MHz.

Not sure when I will get back up there but I'm anxious to flesh out some of the missing pieces.

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cdgordon wrote: 19 Jul 2019 09:54 I would guess that the 803 one may be a 6.25KHz channel. That company is licensed on several at different locations
463.91875 Monkton WNRC544
462.94375 Jay WPSF520
463.29375 Jay WPSF520
463.94375 St Albans WPTJ887
464.86875 St Albans WPTJ887

These channels are often skipped in a search because the search default is for 12.5 KHz spacing. A close by system may show one of the adjacent channels.

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Hello,

I recently took a trip out to Crown Point, NY and stayed in Rutland, VT on the way back. I picked up some more information on this system.
Encrypted talkgroup 11500 was active on sites 10 and 11 over a weekend. Likely in the Rutland VT area. I could copy sites 9, 10, 11, and 12 at various times as I travelled along Route 4 east of Rutland.

Site 3 WNRT664 Mt Mansfield Stowe LAMOILLE VT
777 464.7000

Site 4 WPQJ935 Irish Hill Berlin WASHINGTON VT
239 452.9750

Site 6 WNNI364 Hogback Mtn Monkton ADDISON VT
705 463.8000

Site 7 WPSQ722 East Burke CALEDONIA VT
179 452.2250

Site 8 WQIK502 Lincoln Peak Warren WASHINGTON VT
662 463.2625

Site 9 WPPV671 MT Ascutney Ascutney WINDSOR VT
NL: 4 7 10 13 16 20 21
192 452.3875 CC

Site 10 WPMV359 Pico Peak Sherburne RUTLAND VT
NL: 4 6 8 9 11 13 14 20
553 461.9000
749 464.3500
768 464.5875
798 464.9625 CC

Site 11 WPTT778 Herrick Mtn Ira RUTLAND VT
NL: 3 6 8 10 12 13 14
148 451.8375
240 452.9875 CC
531 461.6250
665 463.3000

site 12 WQHH489 Northeast Mountain Wells RUTLAND VT
753 464.4000

Site 13 WPPW579 Stratton Mountain Stratton WINDHAM VT
120 451.4875

Site 14 WPPA809 Mt Equinox Manchester BENNINGTON VT
660 463.2375

Site 16 WPRS339 Ames Hill Marlboro WINDHAM VT
758 464.4625

Site 20
564 462.0375

Site 21 WRAM209 North Haverhill GRAFTON NH
579 462.225

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Eric, Bruce.

I've moved this to the Vermont Forum, so we can get further details on it before it gets added to the wiki.
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These guys were a thorn in my side scanning the band while driving up 89 yesterday. Random bursts of activity all over the place. :)

I don't have talkgroup or site data, but here's what I happened across. I'm grouping by RAN; hopefully that makes sense to do?

No Decode (scanner only heard analog)
451.8625 - WPUS971 - Mt. Mansfield, 11.9W ERP!
452.0750, WPVX789 - atop UVM Medical center, also a location in NY
464.7375, WPMV359 - Pico Peak

RAN 1
461.9250, RAN 1 - WQHH489 (four different locations!)
462.1500, RAN 1 - WPPV671 (Mt. Ascutney)

RAN 3
464.1750, RAN 3 - WPTZ466, Mt. Mansfield
452.2125, RAN 3 - WPUS971, Mt. Mansfield

RAN 5
461.3875, RAN 5 - Could be WPPA809 (Mt. Equinox), WPQJ935 (Topsham), or WPVX789 (Burlington)
462.0125, RAN 5 - WPVX789, UVM Medical Center
452.6875, RAN 5 - WPQJ935, Irish Hill (Berlin)
464.8000, RAN 5 - Could be WNXJ608 (Essex Junction) or WPVX789 (UVM Medical Center)
461.9750, RAN 5 - WPPW579 (Stratton Mtn.)

RAN 6
452.8750, RAN 6 - WNRC544, Hogback Mountain
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n1zyy wrote: 13 Jun 2021 19:11 These guys were a thorn in my side scanning the band while driving up 89 yesterday. Random bursts of activity all over the place. :)

I don't have talkgroup or site data, but here's what I happened across. I'm grouping by RAN; hopefully that makes sense to do?

RAN 5
461.3875, RAN 5 - Could be WPPA809 (Mt. Equinox), WPQJ935 (Topsham), or WPVX789 (Burlington)
Not Equinox. Equinox 461.3875, 463.2375 are both RAN14

Also all TGs I heard on the system were fully encrypted.

(See viewtopic.php?f=52&t=41942)
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Old thread but figured I would add a hit I had in CT while doing some hilltop radio monitoring.
451.0250 Ch 83 L113-19 RAN19 Fleetnet license shows it as being in Shelburne Falls MA. I did not get any traffic or any of the Neighbors as this was not my target today.
I also got Site 9 as previously reported by others.

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Another post to the old thread.

https://www.snewiki.com/wiki/index.php/ ... e_Partners

I have parsed all the confirmed information from this thread and built a wiki page to it.
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